Cylinder bore deglaze or honing

[Terry Kay]

How many times do you want yo do this job?
I figure once would be more than enough.

Taking Rock Auto parts along with you to get the job done, isn't kosher, or right, and is a low blow.

This guy depends on making a profit & is entitled to that on the parts he sells, & provides.

Buy your own boring bar & hone, and do the entire job yourself, as long as you're supplying the parts.

This I think is correct, proper, & fair as long as you want to provide your own parts and cut his profit margins out of the equation.
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[?Waldo?]

I have always provided the pistons and the machine shop I deal with has always expected me to. It's weird to me that they want to source the pistons.

[Vanagon Nut]

I don't think there's a problem with sourcing and using Pistons I bought. Wrong or right (time will tell), I'm the one reassembling this engine. If I'd hired them to the rebuild, that would be a different thing, IMO.

Neil.
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1988 West DIY 50º ABA

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[MarkWard]

I supply my pistons as well, but they are custom forgings and I am usually going .020 to .040 over size which boring will certainly clean up a used block.

In this case, the question is whether the first oversize .010" will be enough with this particular block. Even though you are going .010 over, you really are only removing .005" material from the wall, which may not be enough in this case.

Letting the machine shop supply the pistons, puts it in their wheelhouse to be sure they are correct. Not sure who is supplying the oversize pistons, but if they accept unused ones back, you have return freight and possibly a restocking fee and the hassle.
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[Terry Kay]

I would for sure put the piston fitment liability in the machine shops lap.
You're supplying parts that you have no idea that they are right for this job.

Besides playing the return game, and paying the freight, you just might be eating a return fee too.

Plus, and not to forget, if something goes wrong, it's going to be on you.

That really isn't a smart decision in this attempt at being frugal.
Not wise at all.

By looking at that one hole, I'd let them put the bottom end. & pistons in , delivering you a completed short block.
Done.
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[Vanagon Nut]

Right. Ok. I understand re oversize Pistons. I'll be installing my new OEM diameter Pistons and doing the build myself. If build goes south (engine smokes etc), I would look at my work first but would not rule out bores as being the issue. But then even IF theor initial measurements of bores was the issue, I doubt I could collect using via the warrantee they offer. Though they said bores are ok, they had also offered a bore over option and would be quick to mention that.

This is a bit of a gamble but if after a 1000 miles or so, if rings don't seat, the Pistons may be saleable as good low mileage used items and I could save the crank and head. (Head has new valve stem seals installed by shop)

Neil.
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1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA

1988 West DIY 50º ABA

VE7TBN

[Terry Kay]

If your happy, I'm happy.
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[MarkWard]

Devil hates a coward. All you really have to lose is your time at this point. I think what you have planned will work out fine. I'll be more surprised if it does not work out. Best of luck.
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[Vanagon Nut]

Thanks again guys. We'll see what happens. At the pace I work at the block stands a good chance of rusting up before I get this done. Haha. Kidding.
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1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA

1988 West DIY 50º ABA

VE7TBN

[Terry Kay]

Break out the 5 gallon bucket of Cosmoline.
Never rust while it sits.
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[Vanagon Nut]

[Butcher]

[Gruppe B]

I don't understand the complaint about bringing parts.

You have an hourly shop rate. I am hiring you to act as an installer and will use your shop rate.

I do not expect parts warranty. I do not need you to troubleshoot.

I am hiring you to install a part.

If you don't want to act as an installer, fine, I will go somewhere else. Why complain?

[Terry Kay]

So, you are sucking a portion of the shops profit margin out of the job.

Does the sign above his door say " installation shop", or "repair shop" ?

You take your own exhaust parts to midas?
take your own tires to Discount tire?

Tell the guy that's installing your Rock Auto parts, to send you his rent bill, his employee's wages, electric, gas, & other overhead bills.

You'll take care of all of that.

I gotta say this ;

You're outa your mind.

Do the work yourself, you won't embarrass anybody as they show you the "out" door.
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[atomatom]

hi neil. i hear you on the ferry, although our ferry ride is only half the cost, but it is still two trips for anything that isn't done on the same day, never mind the time.

i used http://alecsautomotive.com/ but they didn't do anything too significant for me, just measured/polished crank, tested valves, cleaned the case and did a quick dingleberry hone. i posted the cost/etc in my rebuild thread, i think it was a few hundred bucks.

maybe a better strategy to find a machine shop would be calling around to some of the people in town that do rebuilds and ask them who they use. i can't remember exactly, but i think i found alec's by google then searched around for negative reviews. a bit like asking people on the internet to inspect your engine from your photos.
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[Gruppe B]

I ask the shop if they are interested in installing said part if supplied.

None of the shops have any issue with this and the shop rate varies between $90-120 hr which covers paying for the mech and the overhead + profits.

I am hiring for the expertise of the installer. No big deal

Who buys tires from the tire rack? Do you install them yourself or are you eating the lunch of some shop somewhere paying them to install?

[?Waldo?]

[schenks13]

If you are a shop that lets customers provide their own parts, good luck convincing them that the part was at fault, if something does go wrong!
People do not give the benefit of the doubt these days, and are very quick to start pointing fingers, and voicing their distaste on the old inter-web. Why even open that can of worms?
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[Vanagon Nut]

[Terry Kay]

To what?

I should take my own belt & tensioners for a job that should cost about $600.00 plus?

It's a sidewinder , I am not in the mood for this crummy job.

You have truely flipped.
(Not you Neil )

There are certain jobs the way I look at it, it's easier to job an engine out, & just do the R&R work.
I can get more done doung other stuff while the machine shop is rebuilding the engine.

Money & time smarter.
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