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Zylinderkopf
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 Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:25 pm Post subject: Unsafe pedal assembly |
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For the second time now the brake pushrod became disconnected from the pedal assembly, resulting in immediate and complete brake failure! I suppose that's why we have an emergency brake...
The way the pushrod is being held in by a pin and a metal lock tab just doesn't cut it. It's unbelievably unsafe! Have any of you found a more reliable way to keep the pushrod locked in, or better yet, is there a way to use the pedal assembly for later model years in a 1963?
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glutamodo 
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Unsafe pedal assembly |
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My 62 was totally missing the clip when I got it, which sucked when it rattled out when on the interstate one day, and I went to exit and no pedal! fortunately I know how to downshift and my parking brake worked OK.
That was in like 1989 I think. Ever since I got a clip and installed it properly, I've never had a problem.
And the clip in your photo, is not installed correctly! It should be more like this:
and a snip from an old VW line drawing of the pedal cluster:
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Unsafe pedal assembly |
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What he said.👆
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Zylinderkopf
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Unsafe pedal assembly |
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| glutamodo wrote: |
And the clip in your photo, is not installed correctly! It should be more like this:
and a snip from an old VW line drawing of the pedal cluster:
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Thanks Glutamodo! I bet that's why it got loose twice!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Unsafe pedal assembly |
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| glutamodo wrote: |
My 62 was totally missing the clip when I got it, which sucked when it rattled out when on the interstate one day, and I went to exit and no pedal! fortunately I know how to downshift and my parking brake worked OK.
That was in like 1989 I think. Ever since I got a clip and installed it properly, I've never had a problem.
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A classic tale! My year was 1988 for the same surprise! driving home from work in the dark, heading toward what at the time was the busiest traffic intersection in the state! (Fairview and Cole). Heading toward 4 lanes of busy traffic at about 35- and my pedal went flat, nothing happened, so I grabbed the wheel with everything I had and darted to the left into a closed, corner gas station. Curbed and taco'd my right front wheel but lived. Clip and pin were laying on the floor by the cluster.
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Zylinderkopf
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Unsafe pedal assembly |
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Even with the lock tab installed correctly around the pin the damn assembly is just a major weak spot and a disaster waiting to happen. As if we're not already dealing with enough safety issues driving these cars!
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glutamodo
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Unsafe pedal assembly |
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Well, like I said, I corrected mine in 1989. I just checked, I've put 320K on the car since then, without any further issue with that pin.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: Unsafe pedal assembly |
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| Half a dozen cars over the years, collectively about 600,000 miles on them,.. no failures there. Probably as many cars and half the miles among the rest of the family, still no failures. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Unsafe pedal assembly |
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^ Yep...
When installed correctly and in good condition... the push rod pin securing tab is fool proof..
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Unsafe pedal assembly |
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| Zylinderkopf wrote: |
| Even with the lock tab installed correctly around the pin the damn assembly is just a major weak spot and a disaster waiting to happen. As if we're not already dealing with enough safety issues driving these cars! |
This thread had me running out to check my assembly, too. It was OK, and in looking at it further, it seems like a very simple and effective way to hold the pin in. There's no stress on the clip. I don't know that it seems like a major weak spot or a disaster waiting to happen, unless maybe the clip rusts away and falls off over time. But if the clip is that badly rusted, then probably so is the rest of the car!
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| 79SuperVert wrote: |
| This thread had me running out to check my assembly, too. It was OK, and in looking at it further, it seems like a very simple and effective way to hold the pin in. There's no stress on the clip. I don't know that it seems like a major weak spot or a disaster waiting to happen, unless maybe the clip rusts away and falls off over time. But if the clip is that badly rusted, then probably so is the rest of the car! |
It's not easy to anticipate all the different things that could be done wrong during a repair procedure....
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