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Mikenash_76 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2016 Posts: 9 Location: Saskatchewan
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:21 pm Post subject: Clutch problems |
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Hey just got my buggy plated and running and took around block now there is no clutch. I checked and tried adjusting the linkage but it still feels like there is no resistance in the clutch. It is a swing axle trains. Any recommendations. What goes wrong in bell housing. |
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Wolfgangdieter Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2008 Posts: 1958 Location: FL Panhandle
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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Does pushing on clutch pedal move the throw out bearing arm? If not the the cable most likely broke. If it movea the arm could have broken inside the bel housing. _________________ CMC '57 Porsche Speedster Replica and Dolphin boat tailed full pan VW MOD-T Street Buggy |
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andk5591 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 16758 Location: State College, PA
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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You mean you adjusted the clutch cable? You should have about 1/2" to 1" or so of free play in the pedal before you feel some resistance. If nothing, then I would verify that the clutch arm is moving with the cable - probably is or else the pedal would just fall to the floor. I would drop the engine and see whats going on with the clutch cross shaft and throw out. With a buggy, dropping the engine id pretty trivial. _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
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Mikenash_76 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2016 Posts: 9 Location: Saskatchewan
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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Cable is good it is moving the arm it's internal it was good when left the won't
Disengage and zero resistance at all. |
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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One of two likely problems
Either the throwout bearing has come unclipped from the cross shaft fingers
Or, one of the fingers has broken on the cross shaft
In either case, the first step is to yank the engine. Its maybe a twenty minute job, go for it |
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tgodber Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2004 Posts: 410 Location: Okanagan Falls B.C. Canada
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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The arms on the cross shaft are only spot welded. That is the original style from the factory. Replacements are now welded all the way around.
This happened to me. This is what I found when I pulled the motor. Both fingers had broken off and fallen.
Here is a new style available. Much stronger.
_________________ My wife said I never listen to her.
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Mikenash_76 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2016 Posts: 9 Location: Saskatchewan
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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I have motor out many times as I had to grind down the bell to make the 1600 larger clutch fit. I have new question it's a 1958 swing axle tha had a 1200 in it I stripped a 1600 single port out of a merlo spray coupe. I see there is a difference in throw out bearings do I need to change some thing in there to make work. Guys are saying the clutches are wearing through the clips. Any one have done this |
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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You sure its 58? That would be a split case, non-synchro first, crash box
Can you tell me more about or post a picture of a Merlot Spray coupe?
Throw out bearings were carbon(graphite) up through 57 and used a clip like this
This thread covers later throw out bearings
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=148307
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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This is what comes up when you do Google Image search for Merlo Spra coup...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
"Kellison Sand Piper Roadster" For Street & Show.
"Joe Pody Sandrover" Buggy with 2180 for Autocross (Sold)
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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Dale M. wrote: |
This is what comes up when you do Google Image search for Merlo Spra coup...Dale |
If that's powered by a 1600 single port, I'm impressed |
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cbeck Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2014 Posts: 2495 Location: high ridge, mo
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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Chain drive? |
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Mikenash_76 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2016 Posts: 9 Location: Saskatchewan
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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Sorry mo pics look up melro 105-150 spry coupe and look for three wheeled sprayer. It's not a split case that I see no bolts. Motor is a 58. Pan is a54. Trans no idea. |
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Mikenash_76 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2016 Posts: 9 Location: Saskatchewan
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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Here is buggy and what I found when I pulled motor |
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Mikenash_76 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2016 Posts: 9 Location: Saskatchewan
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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Is this the giant tricycle you are referring to...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
"Kellison Sand Piper Roadster" For Street & Show.
"Joe Pody Sandrover" Buggy with 2180 for Autocross (Sold)
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Mikenash_76 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2016 Posts: 9 Location: Saskatchewan
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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That's be the beast. I got a 150 like that and a105 which is cab less. Found my problem old style throw out bearing and 1970 and newer clutch. My bad now to spend more money to fix my foul up |
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch problems |
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Mikenash_76 wrote: |
Found my problem old style throw out bearing and 1970 and newer clutch. |
Yep, you got it. You can probably find a good used pressure plate with a centering ring pretty cheap.
If you remove the cross shaft you can probably straighten the bent finger and you might want to get the welds reinforced.
However, there is a second option you can use with your present pressure plate which is actually an upgrade
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1925532
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