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Subarugears Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2012 Posts: 294 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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Thankyou. It's been a few years of hard work.
Now we get it into a bus and really see if it holds up or any issues.
IMHO with a Subaru that idles at 600rpm and has EFI and good torque, you won't need a granny - but let's see what happens in reality.
I have also been working on adapting the dual-range Subaru 5MT to give 10 reversed gears on this setup and will build one in January to test out. No promises but it could be awesome if we can get it to work and hold good torque. _________________ http://www.subarugears.com |
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Jon_slider Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 5091 Location: Santa Cruz, Crowdifornia
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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Great photos!
So now we have a rear LSD, w planetary center diff w 55/45 rear/front split, full time AWD, whose first gear is 6% taller than stock (plus whatever the chosen tires adds). No locker, no granny, plus a taller top gear (5th)
Did I get those details right?
Now mate the tranny to a 213hp H6 3.0 and cruise uphill in the fast lane. _________________ My Soapboxes: Inflation; Handling; Gearing; Decoupling; Swepco |
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xoo00oox Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2010 Posts: 2672 Location: East Nassau, NY
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:36 am Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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Subarugears wrote: |
Time for an update. There are about 6 x Syncro conversions in various stages around the world but none have been finished yet to my knowledge. Some are EJ25, some are EG33 some are EE20 diesel.
Wanted to show you the first 'factory' Subarugears Subasyncro 5MT finished
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Nice work!! So, what kind of money are we looking at to get a transmission and have it outfitted with all this stuff? |
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Subarugears Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2012 Posts: 294 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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The Subarugears transmission with Syncro kit is USD $5000 shipped to 48 states for non-turbo and $5500 shipped to 48 states for turbo.
Torsen rear LSD option is an additional USD $1000. _________________ http://www.subarugears.com |
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tarandusVDub Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2010 Posts: 1649 Location: Between Here and There
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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Fantastic! Thank you so much for this effort!
Can you describe how these options would work for someone with a 2WD that wants to enhance off-road capabilities? I already have a Peloquin in my stock tranny. Would one need a front diff to take advantage of this? I've been following this thread but its not completely clear which options we've ended up with here. Excited! _________________ 1990 Syncro 16" DoppleKabine 2.1 DJ 112i
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Subarugears Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2012 Posts: 294 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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I'm not sure how to answer your question. This transmission in this form is to enable replacement of the Syncro transmission with the Subaru one in a Syncro.
The car already has a front differential.
You're referring to a 2wd Vanagon which would want to install this and a Syncro front cradle I would guess...(diff, suspension, driveshafts etc) in order to make it AWD. _________________ http://www.subarugears.com |
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tarandusVDub Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2010 Posts: 1649 Location: Between Here and There
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:44 am Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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That answers it perfectly. Thanks! _________________ 1990 Syncro 16" DoppleKabine 2.1 DJ 112i
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Sold: 1972 Bay Campmobile; 1984 Westy, base model, 2WD. |
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rs4-380 Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2006 Posts: 449 Location: Maine
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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Subarugears wrote: |
The Subarugears transmission with Syncro kit is USD $5000 shipped to 48 states for non-turbo |
so other then the 5000$ tranny, whatelse is required to actually get this functioning in a syncro? _________________ Dave
87 EJ25 Syncro GL |
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Wangta Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2016 Posts: 56 Location: Inland Empire, CA
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:19 am Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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Wow - very cool update sir. Thank you. |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15129 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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IIRC shifter linkage requires complete change. pattern has to do with where the pivot is in the stock van shifter vs the Subie being turned around.
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Subarugears wrote: |
The Subarugears transmission with Syncro kit is USD $5000 shipped to 48 states for non-turbo |
so other then the 5000$ tranny, whatelse is required to actually get this functioning in a syncro? |
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fooblahblah Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2004 Posts: 19 Location: Boulder, CO
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
IIRC shifter linkage requires complete change. pattern has to do with where the pivot is in the stock van shifter vs the Subie being turned around.
rs4-380 wrote: |
Subarugears wrote: |
The Subarugears transmission with Syncro kit is USD $5000 shipped to 48 states for non-turbo |
so other then the 5000$ tranny, whatelse is required to actually get this functioning in a syncro? |
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So does the kit Dave has for the 2wd along with the Syncro Subarugears Syncro nose cone have all the bits we'd need for a Syncro transplant (minus the transmission obviously)?
This looks killer and I'm curious how soon I can put something together. Great work everyone involved! _________________ 87 Syncro Adventurewagen |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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fooblahblah wrote: |
So does the kit Dave has for the 2wd along with the Syncro Subarugears Syncro nose cone have all the bits we'd need for a Syncro transplant (minus the transmission obviously)?
This looks killer and I'm curious how soon I can put something together. Great work everyone involved! |
I have developed a kit very similar to my 2wd installation kit to mount the Subaru AWD transmission in a Syncro. The prototype installation is complete except for a special coupler that will attach the rear shift linkage rod to the Subaru transmission selector lever. There were some tricky roadblocks with this installation caused by the lower mounting of the transmission in a Syncro. I have solved all of these, and one thing I'm very pleased with is that I've been able to place the center driveshaft output flange at the front of the transmission at the same level it was at with the stock Syncro transmission, so it should be able to achieve stock flange angles.
Todd and I are partnering on the transmission mount design. I've built the functional prototypes, and he will be streamlining them into nice laser cut/folded steel parts.
The Subaru AWD transmission fits really nicely under the Syncro. It fits nearly as well as the original VW transmission with comparable ground clearance.
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xoo00oox Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2010 Posts: 2672 Location: East Nassau, NY
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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Impressive David!! Does this mean you have one up and running? |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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xoo00oox wrote: |
Impressive David!! Does this mean you have one up and running? |
Hi Andrew,
No, I have the drivetrain placed optimally and the prototype transmission mounts made. The connection of the shift linkage to the transmission selector lever is the last detail I need to attend to before the installation is functionally complete.
At this point, I'm not sure if I will be following through with a running and driving vehicle, or selling a first kit to an interested customer and letting them do the honors.
Glad to see you're continuing to refine and perfect the Quattro Syncro van and the reversed 1.8T. I keep an eye on your update posts. You know I'm a big fan of your work.
Take care,
Dave |
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BlueNorthWesty Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2014 Posts: 348 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:23 am Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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Now if only a 2wd van could be adapted to Subaru AWD. That would be a game changer! _________________ 1984 Medium Blue Vanagon Westfalia 2WD w/ rebuilt Auto, Peloquin differential, 3.27 R&P gears, 2002 Subaru 2.5L engine, Girling G60 front brake upgrade, PS, power mirrors
Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=610481&highlight= |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15129 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:32 am Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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it can be with the addition of a Syncro front Subframe and driveline..
they come up for sale on occasion, usually from burnt out donors.
no small task, but offroaders and Jeepers have been doing far more radical work for decades.
pic from Andrew's quattrosyncro thread..
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:41 am Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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BlueNorthWesty wrote: |
Now if only a 2wd van could be adapted to Subaru AWD. That would be a game changer! |
Who knows? Maybe that will happen once there are enough alternatives to the original Syncro transaxle on the market. It can be done right now by sourcing the front axle assembly from a Syncro. Only problem is, those are hard to come by and in short supply. But those parts could be reproduced if there were enough demand. Burley already makes upgraded upper and lower control arms and a nice steering rack mount. If someone were to reproduce the Syncro front subframe and suspension uprights, that would do it.
With Andrew's reverse rotation Quattro transmissions, this Subaru AWD transmission, the possibility of an all new heavy duty Syncro transmission from Gears, as well as people selling off original Syncro transmissions as they upgrade - that may be enough supply of AWD transmissions to make building reproduction Syncro front axles a possibility. It would be great if we got to that point. I think there are still enough inexpensive 2wd Vanagons around for this to become a popular conversion route.
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BlueNorthWesty Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2014 Posts: 348 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:44 am Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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D Clymer wrote: |
With Andrew's reverse rotation Quattro transmissions, this Subaru AWD transmission, the possibility of an all new heavy duty Syncro transmission from Gears, as well as people selling off original Syncro transmissions as they upgrade - that may be enough supply of AWD transmissions to make building reproduction Syncro front axles a possibility. It would be great if we got to that point. I think there are still enough inexpensive 2wd Vanagons around for this to become a popular conversion route.
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Sign me up! _________________ 1984 Medium Blue Vanagon Westfalia 2WD w/ rebuilt Auto, Peloquin differential, 3.27 R&P gears, 2002 Subaru 2.5L engine, Girling G60 front brake upgrade, PS, power mirrors
Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=610481&highlight= |
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xoo00oox Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2010 Posts: 2672 Location: East Nassau, NY
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:05 am Post subject: |
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I'm looking forward to converting the first 2wd to Quattro. Watch for this soon! I love driving my van, I'm interested to see the first Suby-Syncro too, I'd love to do a side by side comparison with my van.
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Powbum5 Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2016 Posts: 28 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:18 am Post subject: Re: New Build Thread: Subaru 5MT AWD into Syncro Vanagon |
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Sorry if I missed this, but can the Subarugears Syncro Trans be used with a 1.8t conversion, or will it just work with a Subaru engine?
Ben
87 Syncro Westy 1.8t |
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