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vwinnovator
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 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:31 am Post subject: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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I recently acquired a '57 OG ragtop body that has been stored since early '80's
the body is straight, no rust, was stripped bare and primed (good stuff)
best body a builder could hope to find.
If you were building your dream oval ragtop, what would you value / be willing to pay for such a great base to build from? |
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Keith
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:56 am Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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Are there fenders, hood, decklid, window glass, doors or any of the other stuff that attaches to the body itself there?
Even though it's an oval, it's a '57 which makes it less valuable than '55 and down ovals. The ragtop adds to it slightly.
The fact that it isn't original paint and is in primer is a negative. Nobody knows what kind of sins could be hiding under that primer, even if it looks like it is straight. Original paint shows you what you are actually dealing with.
If you wanted a good idea of what a complete project car goes for, look in the classifieds here. It's going to vary depending on where you are in the country. I would be willing to say that your body, without seeing it, is probably only worth maybe $1,500 to $3,000
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:44 am Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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Your request sounds more like an ad, have you checked the classifieds for price comparison?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:48 am Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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$1500 -$1800 max as you will need to spend a lot of time, energy and $$$ sourcing missing parts.
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked  |
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volksartist
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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If it were close I would consider it a real asset. I have all the parts for my 57
and the body is bad......
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shipping a bare body could be a problem and title issues?. I think the evaluation is correct given no pictures. |
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vwinnovator
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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WOW... $1500-3000 range...
so popping open a parts catalog anyone could just by a straight, rust free, oval ragtop body for only $3000 max??
I guess KF could probably make oval ragtop repop bodies and market for the $3K range as well...
So just out of curiousity then, if a random body needed both heater channels replaced, aprons replaced, firewall replaced, etc... What would be the cost of the replacement metal pieces and the labor to do the work? |
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vwinnovator
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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| tasb wrote: |
| Your request sounds more like an ad, have you checked the classifieds for price comparison? |
been looking, nothing to really compare to.
the "projects" are all rough, clipped, rusted...
I do see ragtop clips selling for $1000 or so, and "H"apron clips in the $500 range, front clips in the $500 or so......
Might be worth more $$$ chopping up and parting out then?? |
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Keith
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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| vwinnovator wrote: |
WOW... $1500-3000 range...
so popping open a parts catalog anyone could just by a straight, rust free, oval ragtop body for only $3000 max??
I guess KF could probably make oval ragtop repop bodies and market for the $3K range as well...
So just out of curiousity then, if a random body needed both heater channels replaced, aprons replaced, firewall replaced, etc... What would be the cost of the replacement metal pieces and the labor to do the work? |
Not sure why it seems you are coming across with an attitude.
Kindly go to the classifieds and see what a rust free, "common", '56 or '57 oval sells for with and without a ragtop and you will see what a complete car sells for and adjust your price for what the body is missing.
This has nothing to do with buying a brand new reproduction body and those certainly wouldn't sell for $3,000. You are comparing apples to oranges here. Being a seller, you should know that and you should have a rough idea what your body is worth. Being on the east coast you can likely ask a little more than our southern and west coast neighbors.
As you know, you can't pop open a catalogue and get an oval body. KF has spoken about possibly making complete split bodies. I could image those going for the $15,000+ range, he did give a very rough figure and I can't remember what it was.
It doesn't matter that it the body is rust free, people just aren't paying that much for something that is going to need everything regardless if it is rust free when complete rust free '56 and '57 oval projects can be had for $10,000 or so and you are well ahead of the game, even if you add having it put on a carrier and shipped. Prices will of course vary greatly depending on where you live.
Paying someone to weld replacement panels in a car is also a different comparison as well, but, if both heater channels, aprons and firewall labor including parts for a shop to do, probably around $3,000. If we are talking the best parts available from KF, Wolfparts, Kaefer-Nostalgia, etc and not some cheap one size fits all crap, just the parts you listed are about $1,400 and that doesn't include shipping and using the logic of "you don't have to weld all the panels in your car if you buy my rust free body" just doesn't usually work. The title is the biggest issue regardless of the fact that you can (illegally) swap the vin plate from the old she'll to the "new" one you have. It will scare away the majority of people.
That figure for your '57 oval ragtop body isn't just my out of left field opinion, this is what the market has dictated and yes, more often than not, they are worth more in pieces than whole.
Sorry you aren't happy that we didn't say it was worth $20,000. If you want to sell it, you need to list it for what the market dictates. List it for what you want to list it for and when it doesn't sell, you will see yo are too high and then drop the price and go from there. You know how it works, this is what you do.
Finding rust free for guys like us in the northeast is hard but, I got a 95% rust free numbers matching all original '55 for $4,500, an all original numbers matching rust free '65 for $4,600 an all original numbers matching rust free '78 Westy for $2,800, an all original numbers matching rust free '65 ghia for $3,200 and these were all within the last decade and they were all jump in and drive cars, they are still out there.
I got a '57 semaphore ragtop with an outside respray that needed floors, heater channels, firewall, and rear quarter sections for $300 and it came with NOS semaphores and another W decklid from a '55 besides the original perfect W decklid that was on the car already and 6 years ago, I scored an original paint '62 ragtop that needs the same as that '57 oval I just described , for $150 and it came with 356 drum brakes all around and everything to build a brand new motor. Complete, needs most everything, project scores are out there too.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:19 am Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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| vwinnovator wrote: |
| I recently acquired a '57 OG ragtop body . . . what would you value / be willing to pay for such a great base to build from? |
Seriously?!?!? You are in the BUSINESS of flipping the rare commodities that you stumble upon . . . it's simple . . . put forth the least amount of effort while making as much cash off of the deal as you can!!
Maybe you can place another FREE ad here on TheSamba and one of us retards will give ya $30,000 for it!! 
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| Might be worth more $$$ chopping up and parting out then?? |
Even though most of us here really want you to get rich and we realize that it is not a cherry Oval window Ragtop Bug, but just another rare commodity for you to profit from . . . FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF!!!!!!!!
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| Your request sounds more like an ad . . . |
Feeling us out AGAIN, like so many of his threads, to see how much to gouge us!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:13 am Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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| I can't believe you guys are wasting so much time in trying to help him out. This is a feeble attempt in raising interest in yet another body that he will cut up and list more parts on here for free with no pictures. Please lock this thread. |
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txoval
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:45 am Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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I guess I have no history with the OP...but like selling all cars, it depends on the Buyer.
If the Buyer has no other parts or even a pan for the body it would be worth less, due to the small fortune they would have to pay for the individual pieces.
Now, if you found a Buyer who has a completely rebuilt 57 pan, but a rusted out body, I'm sure the Buyer would pay a lot more
hope that makes sense...sometimes the key to a sale, is finding the right Buyer. It is worth more to some and less to others
$1500 - $3000 sounds about right to me, assuming it is a bare shell |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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Production by 1957 was up to 400,000 cars with a stable platform so these parts are far from rare. GLWs
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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Yea...
never said it was a JUST a bare stripped of all parts shell. has doors, 4 tab, glass, top assembly, fenders, decklid, dash pieces, lights, etc...
(paint was stripped bare in the '80's though..)
regardless though, I find it astonishing that a rock solid body would be valued so low to a few of you die hard vw fans...
$1500-3000 range? we are not talking about a super beetle here |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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It took me months to sell my rust free patina 56. Complete, narrowed beam, BRM's, zero rust anywhere including the pans, nice bumpers, nice aprons, 36hp, original to the car fenders - a nice freeway driver. I got like 5K for it and it took months...
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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| vwinnovator wrote: |
I recently acquired a '57 OG ragtop body that has been stored since early '80's
the body is straight, no rust, was stripped bare and primed (good stuff)
best body a builder could hope to find.
If you were building your dream oval ragtop, what would you value / be willing to pay for such a great base to build from? |
... these days, with all the crazy and absurd prices = I'd start @ 2K
Helping others find old VWs is fun .... to me, 2 fold ovals are not really that rare... hope you make the connection, that brings happiness to all involved
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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Yea...
never said it was a JUST a bare stripped of all parts shell. has doors, 4 tab, glass, top assembly, fenders, decklid, dash pieces, lights, etc...
(paint was stripped bare in the '80's though..)
regardless though, I find it astonishing that a rock solid body would be valued so low to a few of you die hard vw fans...
$1500-3000 range? we are not talking about a super beetle here |
Well, you WERE asked point blank what it had! Still, my (and others) assumption is that it is a complete shell. Well, you know what? It is worth $1,500-$3,000!!!
It's not a split, or a Heb, or a Kubel, or a lowlight Ghia or an oval vert or a split window bus, or a '53-'55 oval, or anything else that's pretty rare.
Again, this isn't some people being cheap, this is what it is truly worth and this is one of the many reasons rust free cars get cut up, because they are worth more in pieces than they are whole and they are easier to sell.
Again, go do your own comps and you will see what they go for. Believe what you want, try and sell it for whatever crazy absurd price you THINK it is worth, I can tell you it isn't worth anywhere near that number you have in your head.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: value of a '57 OG ragtop no rust body |
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There seems to a lot of arguing going on here.
It's pretty simple though - If you disagree with the valuations, put it up for what you think it's worth and see what happens.
If it's priced even remotely right, I believe it will sell very quickly.
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