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vwwestyman
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You need to know the bolt hole pattern, bolt hole diameter (usually easy to increase), hub diameter, wheel width, wheel diameter, and offset. Most Audi/VW/Merc wheels are 5x112 (5 bolts with 112 being the pattern). Hole diameter can be 12 or 14mm. The bus uses 14mm, so it's fairly easy to drill the holes bigger. Hub diameter needs to be 66.5 (I'm doing this from memory, so don't bash me on that number), so the wheel hub area should be at least that big or it must be increased (which is more costly than the bolt holes). Wheel width and offset work together and will require homework on your part. You're going to have to do homework to see if it's feasible to install those wheels. It's possible you get them cheap but spend hundreds on wheel studs and spacers. Go to the Vanagon section > What Wheels Fit and start learning.
Oh ya, lots of wheels are marked with all the numbers you need. |
66.56 is a little larger than required, but recommended so that one could use Mercedes size center caps. T3 Technique sells custom center caps to fit that size but with VW-themed logos.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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| Make a templet of your current wheel (remove wheel/round piece of stiff paper or cardboard/draw through the holes), then take that templet and match it to the new wheels. The problem with 17" rims is your bus needs "C' rated tires and those may be hard to find. |
Whats a "c" rated tire and why do I need that-just asking
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It's a heavy duty tire. There is a tire size & rating in your owners manual or in the door jamb. |
Remember, buses need stiff sidewalls, not necessarily high load ratings. Once you step up to 17" wheels, you are limited to a certain tire diameter, and therefore short sidewalls. Short sidewalls are much stiffer by design.
If you need a 205/45R17 tire (just an example) to fit on your bus, that sidewall will be plenty stiff enough for your bus, even if the actual load rating is sub-par.
Buses need stiff tires. Not just a high load index.
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BUSBOSS
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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With a 17" low profile you will feel every nook and cranny in the road while driving your bus. This is usually for the low rider crowd.
I hope you don't have any loose dental fillings. 
Here are some offerings. Have fun!
http://www2.cip1.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1935
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:40 am Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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| Starbucket wrote: |
| Make a templet of your current wheel (remove wheel/round piece of stiff paper or cardboard/draw through the holes), then take that templet and match it to the new wheels. The problem with 17" rims is your bus needs "C' rated tires and those may be hard to find. |
I have come across 17 inch commercial-van & light-truck C-rated tyres in the following sizes, but both are of larger external circumference than 185/80 R14C tyres:
225/55 R17C – 2134•0 mm external circumference (4•25% larger than 185/80 R14)
215/60 R17C – 2167•0 mm external circumference (5•86% larger than 185/80 R14)
Pitch circle diameters can be deduced by direct measurement and calculation, without the need for a template.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:48 am Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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| Pitch circle diameters can be deduced by direct measurement and calculation, without the need for a template. |
Most people in the US can't convert from tablespoons to teaspoons let alone from inches to mm's and you expect them to do the geometry necessary to figure out a wheel's base circle?  |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:22 am Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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Ahhh love these threads. Where you get the og poster in once then a page or two of the regulars circle jerking it for a couple of days.
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:28 am Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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| Pitch circle diameters can be deduced by direct measurement and calculation, without the need for a template. |
Most people in the US can't convert from tablespoons to teaspoons let alone from inches to mm's and you expect them to do the geometry necessary to figure out a wheel's base circle? |
If true, that is VERY sad and says little for the US state education system!
1 inch = 25·399 mm | 1 IMPERIAL gallon = 4·546 litres
1 inch = 3 barleycorns | 1 palm = 3 inches | 1 hand = 4 inches | 1 foot = 3 feet | 1 yard = 3 feet | 1 fathom = 6 feet | etc!
The troubles really start when one refers to US pints (= 16 fluid ounces), quarts & gallons, instead of IMPERIAL pints (= 20 fluid ounces), quarts & gallons!  
For those unfamiliar with basic geometry, together with Pythagoras's Theorem and trigonometry for right-angled or even non-right-angled triangles, the following links might be helpful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_sizing
http://whichwheelsfit.com/index.php/pcd-explained
http://www.uk-trailer-parts.co.uk/working-out-pitch-circle-diameters-pcd/
https://www.westerntowing.co.uk/acatalog/PCD_Calculation.html
https://www.wheel-size.com/articles/bolt-pattern-pitch-circle-diameter-pcd/
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ZENVWDRIVER
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:47 am Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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...15"BRMs look great.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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The owner of this bus mentioned that the rims are off of a newer Beetle. He had them Chromed. He had to use different wheel nuts in order to fit his bus.
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vwwestyman
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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| rottenkid wrote: |
The owner of this bus mentioned that the rims are off of a newer Beetle. He had them Chromed. He had to use different wheel nuts in order to fit his bus.
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Those look like the Heritage rims I have on my bus, only chromed. One cool part of the whole idea with the Heritage rims were that they look good with no decorations other than a center cap, or just a hub cap, or hub cap with beauty ring, or hub cap with spoked ring.
He also had to have the center bores opened up. He should think about center caps from T3 Technique.
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Cap10323
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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I personally love the heritage rims and will be trying to find a set for my bus when I'm finished with my restoration.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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these killer rims?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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Cip1 has a bunch of 5x112 wheels. 15's and 17's in various looks. Prices are decent. Got some polished 5 spokes on mine from them. Love them. Yeah I underrated my tires and no problems. Sidewalls are brick hard as well as the ride.
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VWDog
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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Sidewalls are brick hard as well as the ride.
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Now there's a ringing endorsement...I'm gonna run right out and buy some...then a heat/ice pad combo for my butt
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FlatfourFrenchy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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I have never driven it with anything else. Might not be ass bad as advertised.
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VWDog
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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| I have never driven it with anything else. Might not be ass bad as advertised. |
I see what you did there..good one! 
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FlatfourFrenchy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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Spray paint, shiny wheels, and a bed. I am good. Now back to the original post about other makers wheels. MERCEDES need longer studs. I searched forever for my Suby Loyale and put stock back on. My VW has a whole lot of options.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:45 am Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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EMPI wheels:
http://vwcatalog.empius.com/vwcatalog/2016/263.html
17 x 7 inch, 40 mm offset, 112 mm PCD, part No. 10-1088
http://vwcatalog.empius.com/vwcatalog/2016/264.html
Porsche 911 style, 17 x 7 inch, 40 mm offset, 112 mm PCD, part No. 9745
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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Sooooo… Anybody want to talk about offset destroying your front wheel bearings?
No?
Ok.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:07 am Post subject: Re: What wheels from different manufactures fit on a bay window ???? |
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Sooooo… Anybody want to talk about offset destroying your front wheel bearings?
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Wheel-offset and steering-offset (aka scrub-radius) are important to me; the latter being influenced by both wheel-offset and the tyre's external rolling radius.
As you mention, wheel-offset also affects wheel-bearing wear owing to the change in load distribution.
There are several Mercedes C-Class & E-Class wheels with wheel-offsets close to that of the 1971~79 VW Type 2's factory-stock 39mm. I am presently investigating Mercedes 16 inch wheels for my 1973 VW "1600" Type 2, which I assess to be the optimal wheel diameter.
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