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Adriel Rowley
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 Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:24 pm Post subject: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta Wagen |
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Last night purchased a MK4 Jetta wagen, VR6 12 valve, 169,000 miles. Receipts showing about $2,400 in engine work (most of it the rebuilt head), supposedly new radiator, and about $400 in new tyres, for $1,700 including notarized title and three day permit.
However, she is defiantly a beater, though good body and paint, with good seats (goodness they are like rocks). Biggest issue is the battery drains down within a few minutes. Having a loose pulley, wondering if can get away easy, bet not. 
Looking at the other vehical, appears most of the wear was due to his daughter who had less than a year and a baby (child's seat in the back along with rubbish and tools (got to keep the change )). Have a steam cleaner, figure see if can get it reduced. Defiantly needs a vacuum. Really don't care a whole lot, as just a beater and then when haul sacks of manure or plants in the back, don't have to be concerned.
Taking it over to a fantastic mechanic tomorrow morning. He only works on Audi/Volkswagen, but he looked at a Volvo 245 I had at the time and charged me nothing for an hour of his overbooked time (usually takes a week to get in). With the family I know that is into Audi, he turned down a lot of work because not in the clients best interest, so know can just do the minimum. I do myself, but clueless on anything after 1985 or so, especially F.W.D. transverse.
Looking at Row52, looks like have some options. Maybe can find a hood strut, rear hatch struts, rear wiper arm assembly, and window switch. Don't want to put a lot in, as just a temporary, but if can keep the total investment under $2,000, be ideal. Doubt I get more when time to sell (once have the daily driver classic back on the road).
Thank y'all in advance! 
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta Wagen |
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| Alt replacement on a VR is no fun. I did a few when I worked on them, it has to come out the bottom along with the bracket it is mounted on, there is just not enough clearance to get it out the top. Having a lift makes it a little easier, as that gives you room to maneuver. Are you sure it is just loose pulley or worn bearings in alt, with the serp belt tensioned, you won't be able to grab and move it, if you can you have other issues. |
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta Wagen |
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| Alt replacement on a VR is no fun. I did a few when I worked on them, it has to come out the bottom along with the bracket it is mounted on, there is just not enough clearance to get it out the top. Having a lift makes it a little easier, as that gives you room to maneuver. Are you sure it is just loose pulley or worn bearings in alt, with the serp belt tensioned, you won't be able to grab and move it, if you can you have other issues. |
Thank you so very much for the reply!
To be expected from front wheel drive.I remember one we had come in the High School auto shop: had to basically remove everything from the tyre to the engine to get at the alternator, quite a pile of parts beside the vehical.
Why think the alternator? It can drain a battery?
Do hear the secondary water pump, behind the engine, after the engine is shut down for about 20 minutes. Is this normal?
So how does one even get to the belt?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta Wagen |
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There are any number of different things that could cause an electrical draw in the car. That will need to be figured out by someone that can get their hands on the car. It is normal for that coolant after-rum pump to run for a while after shut down. Make sure the car's battery is good before assuming there is a bigger problem. The VR6 wagons are not that common. I have an 01 GLX sedan as my winter beater. It's been a good car, had it since '05. I had to have my alternator rebuilt last year. I took off the bumper cover, and then loosened the radiator support. That gave me enough room to get it out the top.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta Wagen |
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| Alt replacement on a VR is no fun. I did a few when I worked on them, it has to come out the bottom along with the bracket it is mounted on, there is just not enough clearance to get it out the top. Having a lift makes it a little easier, as that gives you room to maneuver. Are you sure it is just loose pulley or worn bearings in alt, with the serp belt tensioned, you won't be able to grab and move it, if you can you have other issues. |
Actually, I always take them out from the top. I remove the air box, unbolt the passenger engine mount from the frame rail & unbolt the lower trans mount & jack the engine up & slide it out to where the air box was.
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta Wagen |
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Despite "Notify me when a reply is posted" not getting notifications, just like it was in the past. Even got it set in the control panel.
Thank y'all for all the help, much appreciated!
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| There are any number of different things that could cause an electrical draw in the car. That will need to be figured out by someone that can get their hands on the car. It is normal for that coolant after-rum pump to run for a while after shut down. Make sure the car's battery is good before assuming there is a bigger problem. The VR6 wagons are not that common. I have an 01 GLX sedan as my winter beater. It's been a good car, had it since '05. I had to have my alternator rebuilt last year. I took off the bumper cover, and then loosened the radiator support. That gave me enough room to get it out the top. |
Yes, true, just trying to understand where ps2375 was coming from.
Okay, another quirk. Makes no sense as the coolant wouldn't even be warm, but the engineers had there reason.
Really? Interesting, just about every vehical I have owned is rare. So keep it nice?
How does one know what model they have when neither the body or the manual state what it is. Love to know what the options are.
Good to know can come out the top.
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| Actually, I always take them out from the top. I remove the air box, unbolt the passenger engine mount from the frame rail & unbolt the lower trans mount & jack the engine up & slide it out to where the air box was. |
Still seems like a lot of work for an alternator...
From the research that have done, my W.A.G. before purchasing seems to be a good possibility: battery sulfation. Hopefully the 50amp charge didn't make worse (hoping to leave this morning, but professor had other plans to mess up my day).
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta Wagen |
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If you have Climatronic, power seats, self dimming interior mirror, fog lights... then it's most likely a GLX trim level. The price of the GLX wagon put it very close to the price of the Passat wagon, so most people went with the bigger Passat.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta Wagen |
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| Do hear the secondary water pump, behind the engine, after the engine is shut down for about 20 minutes. Is this normal? |
Normal. But it running for that 20 minutes isn't enough to drain the battery to the point of a no-start. And fair warning: Come the hotter months of summer, that pump will run even if the engine doesn't... I speak from experience as a 17-year Phoenix-area VR6 sedan owner. If the car sits outside in the sun for longer than a couple of days in the summer, keep a battery maintainer on it; if it's lucky enough to be in a garage or carport, secondary pump shouldn't run while sitting.
My grandma has an '01 VR6 Jetta-wagon GLX (like mine it was bought new). It doesn't have 100,000 miles (yet; uncle is now driving it), and it's been through 2 alternators over the last 10 years. My VR6 sedan still had its factory-original alternator when I traded it in last summer. So, a faulty alternator is a possibility, but it'd be wise to do some troubleshooting to determine the cause of the drain.
As for the serp belt and, more importantly, the belt tensioner: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1138497 .
And, yes, the VR6 wagon is rather rare (it was back when it was new)... it would be wise to keep it in good shape if you can.
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Adriel Rowley
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta Wagen |
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Thank y'all for the replies!
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| If you have Climatronic, power seats, self dimming interior mirror, fog lights... then it's most likely a GLX trim level. The price of the GLX wagon put it very close to the price of the Passat wagon, so most people went with the bigger Passat. |
Nope, don't. Based on this, thinking GLS: https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/2002-Volkswagen-Jetta-Trims-c5883.
Does have some nice things like the traction control, but still chirped on the sand (going out of P.O.s drive on the test drive).
Passat is odd: more rear leg room, but less length from the back of seats to the tailgate. Years ago, considered a TDi wagen for my next vehical, but forced into a P.O.C..
Like the manual seat: nothing much to go wrong and if does, shouldn't be horrendous. Though, love to have lumbar, but they are delicate. Only thing I do different is find some soft seat covers.
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| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
| Do hear the secondary water pump, behind the engine, after the engine is shut down for about 20 minutes. Is this normal? |
Normal. But it running for that 20 minutes isn't enough to drain the battery to the point of a no-start. And fair warning: Come the hotter months of summer, that pump will run even if the engine doesn't... I speak from experience as a 17-year Phoenix-area VR6 sedan owner. If the car sits outside in the sun for longer than a couple of days in the summer, keep a battery maintainer on it; if it's lucky enough to be in a garage or carport, secondary pump shouldn't run while sitting. |
Friend and I sorted it out over today using the telephone. Pulled the cap off and saw three cells were dead. He had the good idea of taking the battery out of the Mercedes diesel (larger than a truck battery) and put that in. Seems to have resolved the issue, but will find out in the morning.
The battery in there was significantly smaller than the tray, so wondering if even the correct size. If not, am sure didn't help keeping its charge.
Considering lived in a carport and sometimes outside, the pump didn't help keep the battery charged. Bet drained down and since sat for two years, no charge for over six months is death to batteries.
The 280 gets the one car garage, the Squareback has the one car carport, the 300 is beside her, so leaves the exposed driveway. Would a car cover help?
If you have VR6, are you an available resource? I am working on boundaries with my specialist (no contact level, forum level, email level, telephone level, in person level, ... )
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| My grandma has an '01 VR6 Jetta-wagon GLX (like mine it was bought new). It doesn't have 100,000 miles (yet; uncle is now driving it), and it's been through 2 alternators over the last 10 years. My VR6 sedan still had its factory-original alternator when I traded it in last summer. So, a faulty alternator is a possibility, but it'd be wise to do some troubleshooting to determine the cause of the drain. |
Dang, less than 100,000 miles, bet worth a fortune.
Wow, could have done it myself...
Too bad VW Vortex no longer exists. Tried tow times to join and nothing, it is dead. Also tried two others and no luck. So that means no place to post questions except here.
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| And, yes, the VR6 wagon is rather rare (it was back when it was new)... it would be wise to keep it in good shape if you can. |
Darn, was hoping didn't matter. How much if cleaned up the interior?
Ordered E-code H.I.D. housings, not sure what they come with. Went with Helix rather than knock offs. I can't stand U.S. W123 lights and these seem only just a tad better. Lens isn't terribly fogged so doubt all of it. Friends A6 has them and going though the res at night amazing how bright they are. Figure keep the others and if the seller wants to go cheap, pull and sell to an enthusiast. But, $200 is less than my deductible (few dollars more than $500), so think from that angle reasonable. ;p Further, update the appearance and hopefully keep people from mistreating her (usually take the parking next to the cart stall and take up both spaces or park beside a curb) and more sellable when time, if ever. ;p
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:28 am Post subject: Re: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta Wagen |
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Beats the $800 liquid-cooled alternator on my W8 that the dealer cracked my radiator while trying to change out. $2800 job. for an alternator.
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