Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts  See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Forum Index -> Bay Window Bus Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
alman72
Samba Member


Joined: October 09, 2014
Posts: 1894
Location: MICHIGAN
alman72 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

one went on ebay this morning for 40 odd dollars, so they do come up. price was a steal. how much is a good used switch worth?

Last edited by alman72 on Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:22 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
vwwestyman
Samba Member


Joined: April 24, 2004
Posts: 4409
Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
vwwestyman is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

Anyone know offhand how many wires to this switch? I tend to see them advertised as "7-wire" or "8-wire" or whatever.
_________________
Dave Cook
Stuartzickefoose wrote:
I'm gonna punch vwwestyman then shake his hand when I meet him.

notchboy wrote:
Ill just punch you in the face. Wink

1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
My Thing
www.thefosterdads.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
notchboy
Samba Member


Joined: April 27, 2002
Posts: 19986
Location: Escondido CA
notchboy is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

No regular vendor will have it. These are out there but you need to dig for it. I spent the better part of a month looking and found two or three when I needed it.

Great part of the search was I didnt realize till later that I got the special one needed for the headlight washers. It has a fourth position for this. So when I get to the wiring in my 74, Ill either hook up a headlight washer system or just use it for an electric water pump for the windshield. Cool
_________________
t3kg wrote:

OK, this thread is over. You win.

Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1974 Westfalia Hardtop Campmobile
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
vwwestyman
Samba Member


Joined: April 24, 2004
Posts: 4409
Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
vwwestyman is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

I wondered what that lowest wiper position was for!

But I was thinking about classified venders. Seems many advertise how many wires it has but don't say for sure what year(s) it fits.
_________________
Dave Cook
Stuartzickefoose wrote:
I'm gonna punch vwwestyman then shake his hand when I meet him.

notchboy wrote:
Ill just punch you in the face. Wink

1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
My Thing
www.thefosterdads.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
notchboy
Samba Member


Joined: April 27, 2002
Posts: 19986
Location: Escondido CA
notchboy is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

vwwestyman wrote:
I wondered what that lowest wiper position was for!

But I was thinking about classified venders. Seems many advertise how many wires it has but don't say for sure what year(s) it fits.



I dont think these people know or realize what it is. It makes seance that they would be whats left nos after all these years. Imagine how many people had said no not that one - it has to many wires.
_________________
t3kg wrote:

OK, this thread is over. You win.

Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1974 Westfalia Hardtop Campmobile
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
alman72
Samba Member


Joined: October 09, 2014
Posts: 1894
Location: MICHIGAN
alman72 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

5 wire
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

look for the paddle on the switch. pretty distinctive compared to other years.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
vwed
Samba Member


Joined: August 07, 2004
Posts: 127
Location: United Kingdom
vwed is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

Ives676 wrote:
Has anyone modified or tried a earlier or later switch? The 211-953-509h switch is impossible to find.

You have to think globally - I found two here in Europe in under a minute via google. In addition one sold on a well known European auction site today, the exact one as pictured above by alman72.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
alman72
Samba Member


Joined: October 09, 2014
Posts: 1894
Location: MICHIGAN
alman72 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

vwed wrote:
Ives676 wrote:
Has anyone modified or tried a earlier or later switch? The 211-953-509h switch is impossible to find.

You have to think globally - I found two here in Europe in under a minute via google. In addition one sold on a well known European auction site today, the exact one as pictured above by alman72.

be a pal and post some links for those in need.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Ives676
Samba Member


Joined: June 20, 2013
Posts: 259
Location: Fayetteville, AR
Ives676 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

Any links to theses turn signals would be appreciated.

I have seen a couple for sale from outside the US. I'm not paying 160 pounds plus shipping for a turn signal switch. The other few I have seen in the US were over $300 plus shipping. And they are used parts so they could break or be broken already.

I have reached out to several people parting out vehicles within the classifieds. Out of about 15 messages sent I have received only a handful of replies with no luck. I might buy an early switch to see if I can tweak it as I wait for one to become available.
_________________
1974 Riviera - Subaru EJ22
Build Thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=630031
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
alman72
Samba Member


Joined: October 09, 2014
Posts: 1894
Location: MICHIGAN
alman72 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

vwed wrote:
Ives676 wrote:
Has anyone modified or tried a earlier or later switch? The 211-953-509h switch is impossible to find.

You have to think globally - I found two here in Europe in under a minute via google. In addition one sold on a well known European auction site today, the exact one as pictured above by alman72.

Yes, I lifted these from Ebay. they are excellent pics it the golden switch.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
alman72
Samba Member


Joined: October 09, 2014
Posts: 1894
Location: MICHIGAN
alman72 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

How can I bench test these switches? black to brown continuity on each side? what about the high beam?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
vwed
Samba Member


Joined: August 07, 2004
Posts: 127
Location: United Kingdom
vwed is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

alman72 wrote:
How can I bench test these switches? black to brown continuity on each side? what about the high beam?

I test them as follows:
High beam - connect negative from power source to brown earth wire from switch. Connect positive from power source to brown and white stripe wire from switch. Move stalk upwards in central position to make circuit.
For indicators, looking down on switch from above ( in other words with the logos on the paddle facing upwards, same as your eBay picture) - move the stalk in an anticlockwise direction, connect negative from power source to black/white wire from switch. Connect positive from power source to green/white/black wire from switch to make circuit.
Move stalk in clockwise direction, negative from power source to black/green wire from switch. Positive from power source to green/white/black wire on switch to make the circuit.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
vwed
Samba Member


Joined: August 07, 2004
Posts: 127
Location: United Kingdom
vwed is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

Ives676 wrote:
Any links to theses turn signals would be appreciated.

I have seen a couple for sale from outside the US. I'm not paying 160 pounds plus shipping for a turn signal switch. The other few I have seen in the US were over $300 plus shipping. And they are used parts so they could break or be broken already.

I have reached out to several people parting out vehicles within the classifieds. Out of about 15 messages sent I have received only a handful of replies with no luck. I might buy an early switch to see if I can tweak it as I wait for one to become available.

Supply and demand I'm afraid.
10 years ago I found six of these switches, NOS, in their SWF boxes in an old dealers in Amsterdam. Sold them for 25 each (you do the maths on the rate with the dollar) but then they were still available from VW so had to undercut their price.
Fast forward to 2016 and I found another 3 NOS ones, sold them on here for 100 each. However, I guess we've all got stories like that!
Right, you've got to do some work yourself and it's late here in the UK and I need to crash out. So type into google "VW 211 953 509 H"
Halfway down the first page is an ad from Aircooled Museum Boutique for a NOS one.
Go onto the second page and near the bottom click onto the EVAM Classic link. He's a Dutch dealer name of Etienne, top man.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
alman72
Samba Member


Joined: October 09, 2014
Posts: 1894
Location: MICHIGAN
alman72 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

check out this. 72, 5 wire. would the housing mate to the wiper side housing to complete a 73 setup? it has the right wire colors. weird, some 72s have more than 5 . ebay right now,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VWC-211-953-513-G-TURN-SIG...1935895352
if anyone has a 72 housing they can measure, I can compare to my 73 wiper side to see if it would work.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
vwwestyman
Samba Member


Joined: April 24, 2004
Posts: 4409
Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
vwwestyman is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

I may have said in this thread before. My electrical portion of the switch works. I just would like the lever to stay in position, then self cancel.

So if anyone knows if those plastic bits to make that work can be lifted from an early switch, that would be super helpful info!
_________________
Dave Cook
Stuartzickefoose wrote:
I'm gonna punch vwwestyman then shake his hand when I meet him.

notchboy wrote:
Ill just punch you in the face. Wink

1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
My Thing
www.thefosterdads.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
tootype2crazy
Samba Member


Joined: October 08, 2007
Posts: 1272
Location: St. Louis Missouri
tootype2crazy is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

Funny this should come up. I worked on a friend's 73 recently that had a broken switch. Couldn't find one, so I cannabalized a NOS one for a 70 bus by opening it up and taking out some little pieces from it and the broken switch to make one working one. It works really well now. You just have to open up both to see what you can work with, at least I did anyway.
_________________
air-cooled or nothing for me
1978 Sunroof Deluxe Bus (daily driver)
1978 Transporter (mom's, making into a camper)
1970 Single Cab 2.1 turbo/EFI 6 Rib, 78 front beam, vanagon backing plates on rear (project)
2001 GTI VR6 (wife's)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Ives676
Samba Member


Joined: June 20, 2013
Posts: 259
Location: Fayetteville, AR
Ives676 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

tootype2crazy wrote:
Funny this should come up. I worked on a friend's 73 recently that had a broken switch. Couldn't find one, so I cannabalized a NOS one for a 70 bus by opening it up and taking out some little pieces from it and the broken switch to make one working one. It works really well now. You just have to open up both to see what you can work with, at least I did anyway.


Very cool thanks for this.
_________________
1974 Riviera - Subaru EJ22
Build Thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=630031
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
alman72
Samba Member


Joined: October 09, 2014
Posts: 1894
Location: MICHIGAN
alman72 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:46 am    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

tootype2crazy wrote:
Funny this should come up. I worked on a friend's 73 recently that had a broken switch. Couldn't find one, so I cannabalized a NOS one for a 70 bus by opening it up and taking out some little pieces from it and the broken switch to make one working one. It works really well now. You just have to open up both to see what you can work with, at least I did anyway.

you, sir, are a surgeon. I opened one up and watched bits and pieces pop out to be lost to the garage floor. any chance you took a pic of how things went together? there was a small copper cylinder that was the monkey that beat me.
I still think the 5 wire 72 with no paddle would maybe bolt right on.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Ives676
Samba Member


Joined: June 20, 2013
Posts: 259
Location: Fayetteville, AR
Ives676 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:25 am    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

Would you have to switch out the whole steering column to a later year to be able to use the late '74-79 style switch?
_________________
1974 Riviera - Subaru EJ22
Build Thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=630031
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
borninabus
Samba R&D Dept.


Joined: May 18, 2006
Posts: 4164
Location: Prescott, AZ
borninabus is online now 

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject: Re: Does it Exist?!? Odd Year Turn Signal Reply with quote

Ives676 wrote:
Would you have to switch out the whole steering column to a later year to be able to use the late '74-79 style switch?

i believe so.
the mounting and electrical connections are completely different.

a 72 switch would be a direct replacement, although aesthetically different.
the 68-71 switch looks the same as the 72 but is electrically different.
the electrical difference has to do with the shared brake light/turn signal.
_________________
71 Ghia - 86 Van - 88 Van - 87 Syncro Adventurewagon
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Bay Window Bus All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Page 3 of 4

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2020, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB