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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

xoo00oox wrote:
I'm just putting out to this community that this is an option.

I respect and appreciate that. Also think the dual range will be a true syncro killer..

tranny feature comparison options:
Syncro Tranny, locker and granny
Subaru 6% tall, no locker, no dual range
Audi 11% tall, possible locker and dual range

cost comparison:
Syncro cost ?
Subaru cost ?
Audi cost ?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

So with the transmissions I'll be using, the CV hubs are off-set a little to one side. I was very happy to see that I was able to still use all of the very well built SAH mounting system. It took just a very small modification to push the engine a little toward the driver side.
I also am using the Passat oil pan, I found that my custom oil pump would just not fit, very close, but about 1/4" too short on the one side.
The SAH exhaust system still fits just fine too.



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Even though this 2wd 5speed that I have in there now is not going to stay, I wanted to put some miles on the engine running CCW before we attack the Syncro/Quattro bits. so I fabbed up this mount to hold the 012 in place. The SAH engine mount locates the transmission in a perfect spot, this mount was very simple to make. The stock Vanagon clutch hose just threads right into the Audi clutch slave, this is also a very big advantage, it really requires no other work than to hook up the line and bleed the air out. I'm looking forward to driving this!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Great read... love to see thinking outside the Vanagon Box.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Thanks 'sunset-



So, here's how it looks.....


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Still looks the same from the top.



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From the bottom, you can see the different oil pan, lack of engine adapter plate, and the 5 speed transmission. Ground clearance is still the same as it was.


I took it for a very short test-drive down the road, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 all accounted for! I have a small drip of oil from the turbo return hose I need to address before any more driving.


Anyone interested to see a video of how it drives?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

xoo00oox wrote:
Anyone interested to see a video of how it drives?

Yes please.

Awesome work as always.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

i love seeing those CV's bolted up to that transmission- it looks super tough!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Different config of the fan/intercooler.
Is that how it came from SAH ?
Blows air down into the IC or pulls it up ?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

levi wrote:
Different config of the fan/intercooler.
Is that how it came from SAH ?
Blows air down into the IC or pulls it up ?


That is the typical SAH set-up, it pushes air into the cooler.


Just for comparison, here is my typical 1.8t job...

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And the SAH 1.8t.....



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The SAH kit is top quality stuff, I am very happy to work with it.



With the campers, when making the raised decklid, we push the engine lid to the right so it is easier to open and doesn't require cutting the cabinet. I don't offer the storage space under a lexan cover like Stephan does.

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Another thing of difference is the accelerator pedal, we use the later VW one because it hinges at the bottom like the stock Vanagon pedal. This customer has requested we put one in his van.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

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Another thing of difference is the accelerator pedal, we use the later VW one because it hinges at the bottom like the stock Vanagon pedal. This customer has requested we put one in his van.

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That pedal is sweet. The only thing I don't love about the SAH 1.8t is the pedal feels slightly awkward compared to stock.

Any details to swap one in?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

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That pedal is sweet. The only thing I don't love about the SAH 1.8t is the pedal feels slightly awkward compared to stock.

Any details to swap one in?


I've heard this same comment from others.


These pedals seem to be used in most all of the later VW and Audis, it just needs a small bracket made to mount it. The sensors inside this pedal read the same way as the one from the stock 1.8t cars. Try to find one on ebay that still has the plug and a pigtail of wire on it. You will have to look at a wire diagram to splice the wires to your harness.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

xoo00oox wrote:
there are a few of these on ebay right now for $300


Manual transmission 6 Speed 01E All Wheel Drive (AWD)
Code letters GBE, FYF
Production from 04.01
to
Allocation Model A4 from 2001
Engine 3.0 liter - 162 kW
Ratio Final drive 35 : 8 = 4.375
Z2 : Z1 = i 1st gear 28 : 8 = 3.500
2nd gear 34 : 18 = 1.889
3rd gear 33 : 25 = 1.320
4th gear 30 : 29 = 1.034
5th gear 30 : 35 = 0.857
6th gear 27 : 37 = 0.730
Reverse gear 38 : 11 = 3.455


What do you think of this gearing SODO?


Just because I happen to have these laying around all over the place,
here's the line-up with a syncro transmission at far right



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Hi!

Is the 01E 6 speed the 01E300048H tranny you were looking for in PM?

All is looking good man, congrats on the hard work Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:54 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Hi alika,

No, unfortunately that is not the transmission with low range. The one pictured is one I had LKQ delivery. It's from an '06 Audi A4 with at 2.0 engine.


I found and fixed the oil leak on this project van, the flange part of the oil return hose on the turbo was leaking. I then put about 12 miles on it, it drives great. I'll try to get a video in next week.



Next week we start phase 2 of this project, Quattro!




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This poor Syncro went for his last ride the other day, he has signed the organ donor papers and his Syncro parts will be used to help another van.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Nice work as always. I'm curious to see how you handle the steering rack mount.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:49 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

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This CA van is in shock!! That is a Passat wagon and a convertible New Beetle parked beside it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Andrew, looks like that here too, yesterday morning, grass was showing, today, just like your last picture. I was really hoping for early spring, but I think we may still get it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

I have been lurking on these threads and just have to say I love it.

I am the proud owner of the 2.1 5 speed late vanagon or Caravelle as we call them. I am just looking to replace the boxer engine with a AGU 1.8 20v Turbo on the stock 5 speed. I may look into a Peloquin diff and AT tyres.

I can't find a reasonably priced Syncro but would really love one of these beasts.

Good work.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Dyno Soar wrote:
I have been lurking on these threads and just have to say I love it.

I am the proud owner of the 2.1 5 speed late vanagon or Caravelle as we call them. I am just looking to replace the boxer engine with a AGU 1.8 20v Turbo on the stock 5 speed. I may look into a Peloquin diff and AT tyres.

I can't find a reasonably priced Syncro but would really love one of these beasts.

Good work.


Hi Dyno Soar, thanks for your comments. What year is your van?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Good to see that things line up with only a little force. Also nice choice on the oil pan. Looks like it gives you better than expected clearance.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

87 today in vegas, and they say breaking 90 in a day or two, and it's only march, so that's looking real good to me.

Hey dyno soar, is that a 5 speed including reverse? Or one of the 5 speeds plus reverse?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

bstein wrote:
xoo00oox wrote:

Another thing of difference is the accelerator pedal, we use the later VW one because it hinges at the bottom like the stock Vanagon pedal. This customer has requested we put one in his van.

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That pedal is sweet. The only thing I don't love about the SAH 1.8t is the pedal feels slightly awkward compared to stock.

Any details to swap one in?


Could you provide details on the part number for this pedal and the wiring diagram for splicing it in? Any photos of the mounting bracket? I have an SAH kit, and the pedal sticks out too far so you really have to bend your foot up to step on it. I really miss my "hinge at the bottom" stock pedal. This seems like a perfect solution if it was more plug-n-play.
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