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doublecanister Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2008 Posts: 1184 Location: Richmond, Va
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2003 Posts: 510
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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I just bought one from a fellow in Olympia, Wash., noble transport services. I found it for sale on TheSamba. Not sure if he has anymore, his email is [email protected] |
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sam_w Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 1479 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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campingbox is greg, and he is my daughter Clara's boyfriend. they are both great VW guys, and have lots of obscure stuff. _________________ 63 singlecab
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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Thats cool to hear Greg, they each sent a business card with the nut, that will get laminated to go in the garage for future reference. |
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sam_w Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 1479 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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Well here is the crank nut got at OCTO some years back. I also have the tin, and think a hole and a rubber plug is OK.
Now that I have a standard 74 Thing, I feel that this would be good for that, a high compression 2054 motor may be hard to turn by hand.
Th 74 is going in to Kirkwood VW tomorrow for general stuff.
Adam will give it a regular tune uo even if it has all the smog that is no longer needed.
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doublecanister Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2008 Posts: 1184 Location: Richmond, Va
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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Hey Folks,
Have a question on installing the 'hand crank nut'.
Upon removing the old bolt and washer. I first tried the crank nut + the washer but I noticed the washer don't sit flush on the new 'hand crank nut'.
Since the "hand crank nut" looks like a nut+ washer made in 1 part, do we need to use a washer anymore when installing the crank nut?
I'm thinking we don't need the washer anymore but I wanted to ask to be certain.
Thanks for any help/suggestions
T
few photos for ref.
my original bolt and washer on left, new hand crank nut on right.
see the gap due to center hole size of old washer to new hand crank nut?
just a reference shot to show the size of the washer vs the entire hand crank nut with it's "built in washer"
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1966 - Mustang GT- Fastback
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ldj1002 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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For years I have played with old tractors and old hit&miss engines. I have an old crank from a tractor and it fits right through the hole in the bumper just like a glove. I have also made or modified the nut or other receptacle for the crank to catch to crank and kick the handle out when started. I am going to get another nut for the pulley and modify it to fit the crank. Has anyone done this? I've got a couple ideas but if anyone has done it successfully it may prevent trial and error.
What is the size and thread count of the nut? May get it local. |
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mondshine Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2006 Posts: 2770 Location: The World's Motor Capital
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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ldj1002 wrote: |
What is the size and thread count of the nut? May get it local. |
According to my info:
The real item, referred to as the "starting claw", (122105261) is threaded 20mmx1.
The standard Type 1 crankshaft pulley bolt,(111105261A) is also 20mmx1; listed as having 18mm of thread. You might want to alter that threaded length, depending on what washer you use.
The spring washer, (111105265) is listed at 23mm (ID) x 44mm (OD)
Hope that helps, Mondshine
Just for laughs...
How often do you guys have dead batteries?
In 1911, Charles Kettering’s electric self-starter eliminated the cumbersome and dangerous hand-crank and made driving convenient and appealing to a broad range of new consumers.
Developed by Kettering at his own small company, Dayton Engineering Laboratories Company (DELCO), it is still widely considered the most important automotive innovation of the twentieth century. |
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wbailey2112 Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2015 Posts: 483 Location: Grove City, OH
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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Guess it's a belt and suspenders kind of thing that I also don't really get.
I'll save modifying my engine tin and the cost of the nut and crank and just keep my AAA membership up to date in the event that my battery dies on me. |
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ldj1002 Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2015 Posts: 260
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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wbailey2112 wrote: |
Guess it's a belt and suspenders kind of thing that I also don't really get.
I'll save modifying my engine tin and the cost of the nut and crank and just keep my AAA membership up to date in the event that my battery dies on me. |
wbailey2112 No not a belt and suspender thing. Just something unusual or unique which is what the Thing is. My hit&miss engines for years I have run them and they did nothing but run and make me happy along with a few people that liked them. I'm pretty sure everyone has something they like that is of no use except just plain ole enjoy it. Example I have friends who in my opinion waste a lot of time and money on football but they like it. Different strokes for different folks |
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Al Capulco Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2005 Posts: 532 Location: Northridge, CA.
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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I happen to think there is a certain "cool factor" when it comes to the hand crank accessory. Saw a guy start a 36 hp bus motor with one at a show last weekend and it was impressive. Just as fast as Mr. Delco's motor too. Don't know if I would ever use mine, but they are still very cool, considering the military Type 181 was one of the last vehicles to come from the factory with one. |
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doublecanister Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2008 Posts: 1184 Location: Richmond, Va
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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wbailey2112 wrote: |
Guess it's a belt and suspenders kind of thing that I also don't really get.
I'll save modifying my engine tin and the cost of the nut and crank and just keep my AAA membership up to date in the event that my battery dies on me. |
but what if you're....
out of cell service range, at the bottom of a hill and your starter goes out?
Then you gonna need to hand crank your Thing!
Sounds like 'you might be a red-neck if... kinda line don't it?
BTW: I got someone to answer my question posted above,
Thank you Mike Basso
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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Canister, I am a little curious as to what the answer to your question was? I recently bought a crank from Mr. Basso, so planning to add to my Thing this summer. |
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doublecanister Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2008 Posts: 1184 Location: Richmond, Va
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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[email protected] wrote: |
Canister, I am a little curious as to what the answer to your question was? I recently bought a crank from Mr. Basso, so planning to add to my Thing this summer. |
Hey Waugamans,
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2020 - Mustang Eco Boost [High Performance]
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Al Capulco Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2005 Posts: 532 Location: Northridge, CA.
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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I think Mondshine answered your question. If you are using the "Starting Claw"
you would use the spring washer 111 105 265 not the concave washer you were trying to use. |
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doublecanister Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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Al Capulco wrote: |
I think Mondshine answered your question. If you are using the "Starting Claw"
you would use the spring washer 111 105 265 not the concave washer you were trying to use. |
any idea where to get a spring washer 111 105 265
for that matter, I wonder what washer I had to begin with?
it looked flat not concave.
But I certainly don't want it coming off or getting loose.
But the visible gap in the photo,
it's not there once torqued.
I looked around a bit but not sure where to find that specific part.
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ldj1002 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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Started making mine with hand start capabilities today. I have got hole in tin and am fixing to modify a bolt. All the photos I see, from where the crank catches the bolt the bolt is flat quite a ways around to the left then the ramp to throw the crank out is rather steep. Look to me it would be better for that flat not go too far then ramp to throw the crank out would be a shallow. With the ramp steep I would think there would be a grater possibility of it catching rather than to climb the ramp and disengage. All thoughts welcomed. |
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Ron Domeck Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 1466 Location: louisville Ky
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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I think carrying a jump box would be easier and you would not be adding something that US cars never had. But "The Thing can be anything you want it to be" Has any body used one of these on a Thing to start it? I have a 1921 Model T that I have to use sometime and my Dad showed me how to use it so when it kicked back it would not break your hand. |
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Al Capulco Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: Hand Crank Nut |
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There are a couple of You Tube video's of using the hand crank to start your Thing. |
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sam_w Samba Member
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