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busman78
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 Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: Type 4 engine ino an early bay |
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Was runing a 70 standard bus with a 1.6L stock engine. Just lost another T1 1.6L engine, middle bearing saddle cracked. This was a clean standard case with a 10/10 crank. The bus already has a 73 T2 002 tranny and I have a few T2/4 engines laying around along with plenty of parts to build more. I also run a 78 bus with a 2.0L and the motor has got the meat, 380,000+ miles, third rebuild, still a standard case and crank, can't beat that for strength.
As anybody out there in bay-bus-land shoveled a T2/4 engine into a early bay? Can the original cooling be used or does it require converting to upright cooling?
I realize there is a little bit of tin work and the rear hanger will equire some mods. But first hand experience would be appreciated.
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I've been thinking about that too. I've got an engineless 71 in my garage right now...
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DurocShark
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Heh. I just knew I'd read that somewhere...
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DeathBus
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Stealing the topic a little since I believe Tunacan should answer all your questions regarding the fan conversion necessary. A quote from Tunacan that I've seen repeated often from other sources:
"A stock 2.0 liter can put out 100hp in stock form: that's over 40hp more than a stock 1600cc Type 1. Take that 100hp 2.0,
My Bentley says the highest hp for a 2.0 GD block is 70, which is only 10 hp more than a stock AE block 1600 dual port. Where is the 100 hp figure coming from? That's quite an exageration. |
VW rated those engines with all the restrictive emission controls on them. If you live in an area that does not have emission tests (as I do) you can get those numbers. I can run 80 all day on the Interstate in my 79 with a 2 litre even up hills.
A type 4 will also give you alot more low end than a stock dual port 1600.
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For the conversion, I imagine if you buy the Type 4 Conversion Manual that it will help you greatly. I'll be running a T4 motor in my beetle I'm redoing and it has ALL the info about converting to upright, even in some casing using a 36hp shroud, etc. and fabricating the tinwork!
Here is the link to the manual.
http://www.nextgen-usa.com/
just click on the conversion manual link and it will tell you about it.
Good info and some pics
http://www.aircooledtech.com/type4_upright_conversion/
more for a beetle though....
Some older info....TYPE 4 into early Type 2 but...
http://www.dolphinsci.com/typeIV.html
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busman78
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Nemobuscaptain,
The reference to the 78 bus I have with 380K, third rebuild and still cruising with standard crank and case is solely to show that a T4 has got the strength. If and when the time comes, if all parts check out I would rebuild it again and slip it back into my 78 bay. All my machine work is done at RIMCO.
So far this idea of slipping a T4 into a early bay is becoming a bust, the tranny hanger would be a real pain to install. Probably explains why there is no articles on it here and ShopTalks. |
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| That is the direction I am heading, although research has not pinned down which is the best of the new T1 cases. Not after a High Perf one, motor will be a 1.6L stocker with CW crank, DP heads, stock or very mild cam. What is really odd, a person can put together a "NEW" T1 engine for less than what it costs to overhaul a T4. |
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| That is the direction I am heading, although research has not pinned down which is the best of the new T1 cases. Not after a High Perf one, motor will be a 1.6L stocker with CW crank, DP heads, stock or very mild cam. What is really odd, a person can put together a "NEW" T1 engine for less than what it costs to overhaul a T4. |
Nature of the beast.
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