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papabear563 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Springfield , Or
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? |
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Just bought my first bug, a 74 S.B. w/sunroof. Bought it for $450 off of Samba it had some serious body cancer issues. I have replaced the hood , both front fenders , and the driverside door is next. Except for some very minor rust through holes it is in great shape for sitting uncovered on the oregon coast for seven years. It is a one owner with 25163 original miles on it and surprisingly after sitting that long it just fires up. I have not fully road tested it yet but my first real problem is that dies when put into reverse, and can not find anything that addresses this issue. Any ideas would help. Oh ya it is an auto shift if that helps. |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:50 am Post subject: |
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You coil is wired up incorrectly.
Back up light need to be wired to the "+" or "15" side of the coil.
I will bet a million dollars (and I have the money right here in my pocket) that yours are wired up to the "-" or "1" side where the green points wire goes. |
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Joel Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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as randy said its been done millions of times b4
when was it last on the road??
i think u will find the speedo is atleast on its 2nd time around i would be very highly surprised if it really is on 25k unless it was stored not long after it was bought new _________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
1974 Germanlook 1303 2.5 Suba-Beetle |
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papabear563 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Springfield , Or
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Well I hope it is as simple as a crossed wire. All miles are fully documented from the original owner. It was a second car from the time it was brought over from Germany. |
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jamesdagg Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2007 Posts: 3364 Location: B.C.Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: |
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About the miles. Are the rubber pedal pads worn? They should look pretty new at 25,000, not worn in the corners.
I imagine you might have the original spare tire if the miles are that low. I still have the original in mine like new.
jim _________________ '72 FI Westy
'71 Super rear inside defrost vents no longer available |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Here is the wiring set up that I forgot to post earlier...
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Bookwus Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2003 Posts: 1786 Location: City of Roses
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Hiya papa,
Good advice from both Randy and Jim.
You mentioned that your new car is an AutoStick. It is possible that you may have another problem (which is contributing to your reverse stall-out situation) in addition to having the coil cross-wired. Many of the AutoSticks have had one of their vacuum hoses misconnected which results in an abrupt shift action (and this is especially true of shifting into reverse). This abrupt shift can cause the car stall out if the engine is not in good tune.
For more technical information about this condition and living with an AutoStick in general, point your browser at www.vwar.org _________________ Mike
1970 AS Bug
1970 Bus - The Ruptured Duck
Have an AutoStick? Check out www.auto-stick.com |
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papabear563 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Springfield , Or
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Well I'LL give the wiring issue a look at first then the vacum hoses. The pedals and spare do look new . Thank you everybody for your suggestions hopefully one of them will solve it. If anyone comes up with anything else let me know. |
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zoti Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2007 Posts: 2061 Location: Plano, TX USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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OK. Why is the reverse light getting power from the coil and not from somwhere else? |
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Joel Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: |
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thats how they were all wired up.... _________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
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2002sportside Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 1489 Location: New England
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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zoti wrote: |
OK. Why is the reverse light getting power from the coil and not from somwhere else? |
I try not to question why VW did anything... _________________ 1973 Volkswagen Beetle never ending project |
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jamesdagg Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2007 Posts: 3364 Location: B.C.Canada
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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It saves a few feet of wire. Same reason they put switches on ground wires. It was an economy car after all.
jim _________________ '72 FI Westy
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6621 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? |
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My car is doing the same thing but only when I first start it. When it's warmed up it's fine. Also, when I come to a stop light it sometimes dies. I do not have an autostick.
The only wire that is coming to the coil I can think this might be is the one coming from the starter area. This one is connected to the "-" side of the coil. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31380 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? |
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kawfee wrote: |
The only wire that is coming to the coil I can think this might be is the one coming from the starter area. This one is connected to the "-" side of the coil. |
What you wrote doesn't really make any sense. The wire "coming from the starter area" is the wire for the reverse/back-up lights, that should be on coil positive terminal #15, as should be the electrojet and choke heater.
The only wire going to coil negative terminal #1 should be the green wire coming from distributor, and a tachometer wire if you have one. Aftermarket pointless electronic ignition may be different.
_________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3988 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? |
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kawfee wrote: |
My car is doing the same thing but only when I first start it. When it's warmed up it's fine. Also, when I come to a stop light it sometimes dies. I do not have an autostick.
The only wire that is coming to the coil I can think this might be is the one coming from the starter area. This one is connected to the "-" side of the coil. |
That could be it. the only wire feeding to negative side of the coil should be coming from the distributor, or the test network socket on later cars. _________________ 73 super beetle thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=649622 Back on the Road!
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6621 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? |
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That helps. I was following the wiring from one of my Beetles which must have obviously been wired up wrong. |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6621 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? |
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That fixed it. Thanks for the help! |
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