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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? Reply with quote

Just bought my first bug, a 74 S.B. w/sunroof. Bought it for $450 off of Samba it had some serious body cancer issues. I have replaced the hood , both front fenders , and the driverside door is next. Except for some very minor rust through holes it is in great shape for sitting uncovered on the oregon coast for seven years. It is a one owner with 25163 original miles on it and surprisingly after sitting that long it just fires up. I have not fully road tested it yet but my first real problem is that dies when put into reverse, and can not find anything that addresses this issue. Any ideas would help. Oh ya it is an auto shift if that helps.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You coil is wired up incorrectly.

Back up light need to be wired to the "+" or "15" side of the coil.

I will bet a million dollars (and I have the money right here in my pocket) that yours are wired up to the "-" or "1" side where the green points wire goes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as randy said its been done millions of times b4

when was it last on the road??
i think u will find the speedo is atleast on its 2nd time around i would be very highly surprised if it really is on 25k unless it was stored not long after it was bought new
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I hope it is as simple as a crossed wire. All miles are fully documented from the original owner. It was a second car from the time it was brought over from Germany.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the miles. Are the rubber pedal pads worn? They should look pretty new at 25,000, not worn in the corners.

I imagine you might have the original spare tire if the miles are that low. I still have the original in mine like new.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the wiring set up that I forgot to post earlier...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hiya papa,

Good advice from both Randy and Jim.

You mentioned that your new car is an AutoStick. It is possible that you may have another problem (which is contributing to your reverse stall-out situation) in addition to having the coil cross-wired. Many of the AutoSticks have had one of their vacuum hoses misconnected which results in an abrupt shift action (and this is especially true of shifting into reverse). This abrupt shift can cause the car stall out if the engine is not in good tune.

For more technical information about this condition and living with an AutoStick in general, point your browser at www.vwar.org
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'LL give the wiring issue a look at first then the vacum hoses. The pedals and spare do look new . Thank you everybody for your suggestions hopefully one of them will solve it. If anyone comes up with anything else let me know.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. Why is the reverse light getting power from the coil and not from somwhere else?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats how they were all wired up....
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zoti wrote:
OK. Why is the reverse light getting power from the coil and not from somwhere else?

I try not to question why VW did anything...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It saves a few feet of wire. Same reason they put switches on ground wires. It was an economy car after all.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? Reply with quote

My car is doing the same thing but only when I first start it. When it's warmed up it's fine. Also, when I come to a stop light it sometimes dies. I do not have an autostick.

The only wire that is coming to the coil I can think this might be is the one coming from the starter area. This one is connected to the "-" side of the coil.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? Reply with quote

kawfee wrote:
The only wire that is coming to the coil I can think this might be is the one coming from the starter area. This one is connected to the "-" side of the coil.


What you wrote doesn't really make any sense. The wire "coming from the starter area" is the wire for the reverse/back-up lights, that should be on coil positive terminal #15, as should be the electrojet and choke heater.

The only wire going to coil negative terminal #1 should be the green wire coming from distributor, and a tachometer wire if you have one. Aftermarket pointless electronic ignition may be different.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? Reply with quote

kawfee wrote:
My car is doing the same thing but only when I first start it. When it's warmed up it's fine. Also, when I come to a stop light it sometimes dies. I do not have an autostick.

The only wire that is coming to the coil I can think this might be is the one coming from the starter area. This one is connected to the "-" side of the coil.


That could be it. the only wire feeding to negative side of the coil should be coming from the distributor, or the test network socket on later cars.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? Reply with quote

That helps. I was following the wiring from one of my Beetles which must have obviously been wired up wrong.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Dies when shifted into reverse, what's up with that? Reply with quote

That fixed it. Thanks for the help!
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