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mr white Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2005 Posts: 1193 Location: beautiful Oregon & Mohave County, AZ
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:17 pm Post subject: Stub axle education needed please |
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Guys and gals. I have some learning to do here. I have a 57 bug that I am converting to IRS and installing a 091 into for the 2110cc motor. What I am not sure of, is what stub axles to use for installing bus axles or thing axles for this? Also can I run wide 5 drums some how? This is proving to be a challenge! Any help appreciated! |
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Multi69s Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 5363 Location: Lefty, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle education needed please |
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Its not really the axles that determine which stub axle and transmission flange you use, it is the CV joints. The CV joint not only determines this, but because of the difference in splines, they determine the axle also. The bottom line is how much travel do you want and how much $$$ do you want to spend. Personally, I don't run any stock axles off road. After market axles have a longer splined area, that can compensate for many problems. So if you want to keep the stock trans flanges and want to run either Type 2, 4 or thing CVs something like this will work.
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/4488.htm
However if you want to upgrade to 930 CVs (need trans flanges also), you can use these.
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/4489.htm
However, read these 1st
http://www.blindchickenracing.com/how_to/cvjoints_axles/cv_joints_101.htm
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Bashr52 Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2006 Posts: 5666 Location: On an island in VA
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle education needed please |
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If you are running an 091 trans, you can run Thing stubs/axles and rear brake parts (backing plates, drums, etc) and have wide 5. Thing stubs use the same CV's as a bus so they will bolt right up to the 091. |
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Dr OnHolliday Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2012 Posts: 1215 Location: was Escondido now San Berdoo
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle education needed please |
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Bashr52 wrote: |
If you are running an 091 trans, you can run Thing stubs/axles and rear brake parts (backing plates, drums, etc) and have wide 5. Thing stubs use the same CV's as a bus so they will bolt right up to the 091. |
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Multi69s Samba Member
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earthquake Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2008 Posts: 3984 Location: SANDY VALLEY, NEVADA
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle education needed please |
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Don't forget Porsche 924/early 944 stub axles, they are the same as Thing stubs. And don't forget about the drive flanges, if your using a bus trans then you should have them already but if you are using a Type 1 trans you will need Bus/Thing/924/944 DF's, you can also get aftermarket stubs and drive flanges but the quality is questionable, I have not heard too much about the drive flanges but AM stub axle have been known to twist and break.
If you are using stock IRS trailing arms you can also use 924/early 944 and thing axles, I don't know about Bus axles.
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dustymojave Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Stub axle education needed please |
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Bus IRS stubs are fatter/thicker than T1/Thing/Porsche 924/944 stubs. The T2 stubs will NOT fit in a T1 hub. _________________ Richard
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Fenix Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2016 Posts: 468 Location: St Louis
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Stub axle education needed please |
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dustymojave wrote: |
Bus IRS stubs are fatter/thicker than T1/Thing/Porsche 924/944 stubs. The T2 stubs will NOT fit in a T1 hub. |
Great point, I just assumed everyone was talking about conversion stubs. Cant hurt to clarify though. |
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