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DeltaBravo Samba Member
Joined: February 29, 2016 Posts: 179 Location: Long Beach, CA
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:09 am Post subject: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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As the title states.
I am replacing the front KYB (gas-a-just) and the unknown (oil filled) rear shocks with Boge from Bus Depot.
My main issue is the assorted hardware I removed. Among the different size bolts, washers, and nuts...I removed two small spacers. Both were located up front, but one was on the lower end of the shock (driver side) and the other was located on the upper bolt (passenger side).
As you can see...another case of PO hack jobs.
My question is about the spacers. Do I need those spacers for "stock" OE Boge replacement shocks? If so, where are they installed? front, rear, upper, lower?
These are the spacers;
These are the old shocks. White=(Front) KYB, Blue=(Rear)Unkown
_________________ 1976 Bus, 2.0 Hydraulic lifters, Manual.
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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I think when you receive the new shocks and offer them up, you'll find out if you need the spacers to fill the gaps or not. Many folks put spacers/washers in when they are fitting non=oem shocks. I've seen all sorts of creative "fixes" on shocks I've removed. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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static Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2002 Posts: 1831 Location: The High Desert
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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While the new OEM oil-filled shocks are not exactly the pinnacle of shock absorber technology, I suspect that your butt will immediately appreciate the comfort.
KYB Gas-Adjusts are just too stern and unforgiving.
(On the other hand, the GR-2 is just fine) |
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kreemoweet Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2008 Posts: 3899 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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Using spacers is NOT a "hack job", they are REQUIRED if using KYB or other aftermarket shocks, because those
fine companies do not make a shock that actually fits our old VW's.
The Sachs rear shocks I got from BD about 12 yrs ago did not require spacers. Sachs pretty much = Boge. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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DeltaBravo Samba Member
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DeltaBravo Samba Member
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DeltaBravo Samba Member
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kreemoweet Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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Parts manual shows 1 wavy washer under the nut at top end, and a wavy washer on each side of the shock bushing on the bottom. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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DeltaBravo wrote: |
wcfvw69 wrote: |
I think when you receive the new shocks and offer them up, you'll find out if you need the spacers to fill the gaps or not. Many folks put spacers/washers in when they are fitting non=oem shocks. I've seen all sorts of creative "fixes" on shocks I've removed. |
What is the OEM set up? Is there just one washer and nut on the top&bottom of each shock? |
As Kreemo stated, there was only the bolt, lock washer and nut. If it's a stock shock made for the bus, there should not be any reasons for spacers to fill the gap between the shocks rubber sleeve and the mount. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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DeltaBravo Samba Member
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yellowCOwesty Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2016 Posts: 97 Location: Rocky Mountains
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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Yep, just did his and no spacers. _________________ _______________________
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zerothehero Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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I really like the ride with standard boge shocks also
Make sure you torque the shocks with the bus back down on the ground.
If you torque them whilst in the air you may twist out the rubber bushing when you get cruising. _________________ I like caves..
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DeltaBravo Samba Member
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3580 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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zerothehero wrote: |
I really like the ride with standard boge shocks also
Make sure you torque the shocks with the bus back down on the ground.
If you torque them whilst in the air you may twist out the rubber bushing when you get cruising. |
Trying to put my head around that statement. Maybe i'm wrong. Please explain why since there shocks and not springs what difference could it make? |
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zerothehero Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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With the bus in the air you would be tightening at the shocks full extension. You ideally want to be aiming to torque it up at the center of travel so the extension and compression and subsequent lateral movement is more equal.
That may sound like a bag of toss but I can confirm that the only time I did it wrong the bush on one of my front shocks had half twisted out within a few thousand miles.
I think the extreme amount of travel on springy bay shockers makes it more of an issue than on other cars _________________ I like caves..
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old DKP driver Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 4145 Location: Los Gatos,Ca.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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And, Zerothehero is Correct
page 7 in the green Bentley
front axle 4.2 _________________ V.W.owner since 1967 |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3580 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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Took a look at the Bentley, it says a 30 degree incline but i understand now that the bolt angle is effected by height. Thanks for the knowledge. |
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otiswesty Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2006 Posts: 1731 Location: Portland
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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I had my stock shocks replaced years ago with KYB. I found the ride to be too harsh and suffered with it for a few years. They made the front end ride a little higher as well. This never "settled down" as I was told to expect. My mechanic at the time told me my OG shocks were "shot" and sold me on the KYBs. A number of years ago I found a nice set of Bilsteins on a 77 bus in an Oregon Pick-n-Pull and they have been great. I think they are the originals that were offered for the Type 2 years ago. _________________ 1978 Sage Green P22 Westfalia
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LivinInnaVWBus Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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The genuine VW of Brazil shocks ride very nice, I put a full set of them on my bus with a new set of VWOB leafs. I definitely wouldn't say they are performance shocks, but the ride is very, very comfortable.
I've got some photos somewhere if anyone is interested.
I work for a company which sells KYB, I can get those shocks at cost and yet I still decided to use VWOB. The ride of KYBs never impressed me. They can very literally shake a rusty VW to pieces, as it did to me. |
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DeltaBravo Samba Member
Joined: February 29, 2016 Posts: 179 Location: Long Beach, CA
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 6:27 pm Post subject: UPDATE-Replacing old shocks with Boge. |
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Just wanted bring an update to this thread. I've put about 300 miles on my bus since all of my work (engine, trans, bearings, shocks....). Everything is working well. I really like the ride quality of these shocks and I am glad I installed them...money well spent.
After completely removing the rear sway bar and installing new rubber bushing on the front (1") sway bar as well as new (8 ply) tires, the ride is very forgiving. I've notice the ride is very soft over bump and through dips all while maintain great control in turns and down the highway. Very little body roll while on the fast, tight on and off ramps. It is truly a perfect balance of softness and control.
The OEM set up works perfect, soft shocks, front sway bar, and 8 ply tires. That's all ya need! _________________ 1976 Bus, 2.0 Hydraulic lifters, Manual.
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=673255&highlight=
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=674097&highlight=
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