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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

Hi, toda I changed my accelerator pivot with a new WolfsburgWest one because my accelerator cable always slipped off.

http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=311721509A

Now I have a strange problem, the latch toward the rear of the car of the pivot does not work and the piovt falls back.

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Why ? It seems like my previous one Confused
IMPORTANT : this is a 62 accelerator pedal assembly
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

What exactly are you calling the "accelerator pivot" ?

Is the arm (with the hole for the cable end) perfectly straight front to rear ?

Have you been installing the cable end correctly?
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Looks like the little pedal spring is also not positioned correctly.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

Now the problem is not the cable but the accelerator pivot

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This lock / limit

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does NOT work anymore and the pivot falls back like in this image

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Yes the black spring is not fixed correctly.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

Hi. Can you compare the new WW part with the old part? Seems to me per your description and pic that the new part lacks sufficient metal that prevents the new part from resting on the pedal assy housing, and it then falls rearward.
Hope this helps, Bill.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

You've got the forward bolt installed.

I'd loosen or remove that forward bolt and rotate the "accelerator pivot bar" forward and keep it there as you install the two horizontal pedal assembly bolts to the hump. Yes, you'll need to loosen the accelerator cable at the rear/engine compartment.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

You have mis-matched parts. The small roller lever is for a pedal cluster with integral accelerator pedal mount. You have a floor mounted accelerator pedal, which needs the pedal with connecting link/"z"bar and associated parts.

http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111721615

http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111721507B

http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=311721509

It also seems that the slot where 311721509 fits has wear, allowing the rear stopper to travel too far back.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

See above post, I'm not familiar with early pedal setups.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

Ys I have a 62 pedal assembly with post 66 smal roler lever.
Here used vs new WW part, they seems different

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I think that used one was bent and adapted ....
Now I reinstalled all the original 62 pedal assembly parts ....

I have dual carbs and someone told me that 66-71 pedal assembly is better but I prefer to have all original parts in my pedal assembly.
If I want to install a full 66-71 pedal assembly in my 62 I have to modify the frame or to make some holes ?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

62ItalianRagtop wrote:

If I want to install a full 66-71 pedal assembly in my 62 I have to modify the frame or to make some holes ?


You will need to remove the pedal hinge from the floor. Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

Uhhh nooo, anyone has dual carbs and og pre 66 pedal assembly ?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

The old one is bent maybe from being stood on, or just used a lot. If you bend it back to the original shape it should work just fine.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

Shouldn't the pin and roller be facing the other way. I have a '62 so have no experience with this but if you look at this photo from the WW page for '67 to '79 it's facing the other way.
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wolfsburg_new/chassis/bug_chassis.cfm?type=1
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

62ItalianRagtop wrote:
Yes I have a 62 pedal assembly with post 66 smal roler lever.
Here used vs new WW part, they seems different

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The one on the right is severely bent.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

Good eye on that, but WW has it backwards in the photo.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

Q-Dog wrote:
The old one is bent maybe from being stood on, or just used a lot. If you bend it back to the original shape it should work just fine.


The problem of the old one is that the hole where accelerator cable fix is damaged... bigger than it should be
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

thomas. wrote:
Shouldn't the pin and roller be facing the other way. I have a '62 so have no experience with this but if you look at this photo from the WW page for '67 to '79 it's facing the other way.
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wolfsburg_new/chassis/bug_chassis.cfm?type=1


Perhaps in the 66-71 pedal assembly .. I have a 62 pedal assembly
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP : strange problem with accelerator pivot Reply with quote

Hi.
Templeofspeed nailed it when he stated you need to remove the old throttle pedal from the floor. Good eye with viewing the early pedal with the later throttle lever piece.
62ragtop, you have multiple issues here.
1- You appear to be trying to adapt the early gas pedal to the later lever.
2- The lever appears to have fallen rearward too far.
I ran a '70's pedal cluster in a daily driver '58 for over 20 years and had zero issues like you are going thru here. Iran this with the 1200, the 1600, and with engines with dual carbs.
As previously mentioned the WW picture is backwards.
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