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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26325 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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kawfee wrote: |
I think my Beetle really likes that VR1. It's purrrrrs. |
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s60088 Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2013 Posts: 159 Location: New York City
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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I found Valvoline 20W50 and will use this in my 71. |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3988 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Frodge Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2006 Posts: 1991 Location: Dump
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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I live in the NYC metro area. What grade oil would you suggest. I'm looking at Brad Penn and Vr-1. 10w30, 10w40 or 20w50? |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3988 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Frodge Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2006 Posts: 1991 Location: Dump
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Thanks. I don't have a new engine. I have the original engine in my 70 with original 73000 miles. Runs well. So I wouldn't say tired, but definitely not new. |
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Frodge Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2006 Posts: 1991 Location: Dump
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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So my motor is original to the car. It has 74k on it, runs strong and well. Has a couple drips on shut down here and there. Nothing major. I've read thus whole thread and have decided as stated above between brad Penn and valvoline race. Given the mileage on my car, I don't want to blow seals or anything with a really heavy or low weight oil etc. The brad Penn 10w30 is semi synthetic, so I'd like to avoid that. The brad Penn 10w40 doesn't state whether it is semi synthetic, if its full Dino, this is a food option I think.
The valvoline race comes in 10w30 and 20w50 or straight 40. 10w30 may be too light? 40 isn't a multigrade etc. 20w50, never have run that type weight oil. Is that really heavy? Looking for a good option here
It has also been brought to my attention about regular valvoline 10w40? Does this have sufficient zinc? |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6622 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Unless it says it has zinc consider it a mystery. Both VR1 and Brad Green Penn state they have Zinc. |
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Frodge Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2006 Posts: 1991 Location: Dump
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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So the question is whether brad Penn 10w40 is semi synthetic. Their 10w30 is. What does that even mean.
Then in the valvoline side there is 10w30, 20w50 or straight 40. I really am not sure which to use. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50353
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Frodge wrote: |
So my motor is original to the car. It has 74k on it, runs strong and well. Has a couple drips on shut down here and there. Nothing major. I've read thus whole thread and have decided as stated above between brad Penn and valvoline race. Given the mileage on my car, I don't want to blow seals or anything with a really heavy or low weight oil etc. The brad Penn 10w30 is semi synthetic, so I'd like to avoid that. The brad Penn 10w40 doesn't state whether it is semi synthetic, if its full Dino, this is a food option I think.
The valvoline race comes in 10w30 and 20w50 or straight 40. 10w30 may be too light? 40 isn't a multigrade etc. 20w50, never have run that type weight oil. Is that really heavy? Looking for a good option here
It has also been brought to my attention about regular valvoline 10w40? Does this have sufficient zinc? |
Start with a light oil, say a 5w30 and see if the engine will make sufficient oil pressure, if not go thicker. Note that many of today's straight weight oils have viscosities similar to a multigrade without needing additives to accomplish it. A 30wt may well have the same "cold" viscosity as a 10w30, but there is variance by brand and perhaps even from batch to batch in the same brand.
All oils have ZDDP (zinc) in them TTBOMK, it is the amount that counts and you may have to do some searching to find that out. |
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Frodge Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2006 Posts: 1991 Location: Dump
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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What other options are there for high zing other than vr1 and brad Penn? Vr1 doesn't make a 10w40 and brad Penn is kind of difficult to find. How does this stuff fair when using with a regular oil?
http://www.bughaus.com/Zinc_Additive.htm |
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rockerarm Samba Member
Joined: December 16, 2009 Posts: 3552 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Frodge wrote: |
What other options are there for high zing other than vr1 and brad Penn? Vr1 doesn't make a 10w40 and brad Penn is kind of difficult to find. How does this stuff fair when using with a regular oil?
http://www.bughaus.com/Zinc_Additive.htm |
Why not blend 50/50 the VR1 20w-50 with the 10w-30. If you look at these oil's CST's which is the viscosity this is an easy fix.
Also, if you like Valvoline's product line they make a couple of very nice 15w-40 oils. One is their Premium Blue Diesel and the other is their All Fleet Plus. Both oils are dual rated.
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15309 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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rockerarm wrote: |
Why not blend 50/50 the VR1 20w-50 with the 10w-30. If you look at these oil's CST's which is the viscosity this is an easy fix.
Also, if you like Valvoline's product line they make a couple of very nice 15w-40 oils. One is their Premium Blue Diesel and the other is their All Fleet Plus. Both oils are dual rated.
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You can not mix weights of oil and get a custom blend. If you mix a bottle of 10W-30 and a bottle of 20W-50 you DO NOT get a 15W-40 blend of motor oil. What you get is a screwed up soupy mess. The oil companies will tell you this if you ask them.
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26790 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Well, that is debatable.
I say it's OK to mix different wights of the same product line, in MOST cases.
Joe Gibbs says it's ok also
It could be a bad idea in some cases, but I've never heard of a problem actually happening. While on the other hand, I have heard of a few cases of additives being not compatible with each other and causing foam or something. They sure do sell a lot of oil additives, bunch of snake oil, should be avoided.......but IMO, adding oil to oil is usually just fine. |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6622 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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If you have an M35 you can put everything in it. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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I mix my brands and weights I always have and always will.with the crank&rods&heads in my 2028 having well over 130000 miles on them and still std sizes,the main bearings have well over 110000 as does the cam&lifters&gears.as assembled now they have around 80000 miles on them. so...mixing dont hurt. in tech schools the oil company reps for that manufacture stated."we make the oil for the big 3 manufactures" it is all diferent additive packages min the same oil to address the issues each manufacture saw a issue in. and additive's took care of the issue's. mix and you get the best of the best. I like the quaker state defy/highmilage semi syn it has zinc in it although they forgot to add that to the packaging when they changed this labeling this year.I contacted them and they did not change the oil just labeling as was not aware that was left off..... I mix it with castrol syn,penisynthetc,valvoline syn and even sometimes mobile...Im not a fan of mobile oil but it may have atleast 1 good thing in it so i do use it too. I will not use any racing oil in a motor that is not a dedicated race engine. no snake oil shit, no lucas mucas shit. |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6622 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Mark,
Sounds similar to gas. It is all the same (except for octane) at the pump except what the tanker adds to it when they fill it at the pipe. |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15309 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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kawfee wrote: |
Mark,
Sounds similar to gas. It is all the same (except for octane) at the pump except what the tanker adds to it when they fill it at the pipe. |
Bullshit. There are different blends of gas all over the country. Every state has regulation to adjust to geographic altitudes and EPA air quality standards. There are also different summer and winter blends. Somewhere I read there were 175 different blends of gasoline sold in the USA. Here in Oklahoma almost everybody sell 100% pure gas. In some states you can only get e10-e15 gas. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6622 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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So, you are telling me there are 175 different pipelines where that truck driver picks up the gas? There is probably only a fraction of that and they are mixed accordingly. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69830 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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kawfee wrote: |
So, you are telling me there are 175 different pipelines where that truck driver picks up the gas? There is probably only a fraction of that and they are mixed accordingly. |
175 sounds like a lot so I did a search, this article says 20:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3180/summer-...-13747431/
I don't know if that is definitive and it's also from 2012, in case anything has changed.
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Probably not 20 either since it's not like they are trucking gas from one refinery across the entire USA.
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