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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm finding that the fuel lines are difficult to find, would anyone know if the original style 'fuel rails' are being reproduced at all?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the "rounded" style of the fuel line distribution fitting the exact same part used on Type 1 rear brake line "tee" junction? The piece on the top surface of the frame fork, with the inlet being the long brake line coming from the master cylinder, and the two outlets going to each rear wheel? If so, then the union nuts and the lines would be generic metric brake lines which you could bend and form the curves around a baseball bat...

Held to the center bracket with an M6x1.0 bolt?

Or are the brake lines and their union nuts/ferrules ever so slightly smaller diameter than the Kad fuel lines?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be, but metric flare and SAE are different... My experience is from long ago. These guys will know:
http://www.lowbugget.com/kadronpage.html
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The VW brake tee is not the same size. You'll only be able to buy brake lines for M10 with 3/16 inch fuel line. too small for fuel lines.

The Kadron's tee are bigger then VW's brake tees. That's so you can use a 1/4 inch brake line. The tee fitting needs to 7/16 or 3/8 inch threads.

JEGS sells the Tee 3/8 fittings.
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/63080/10002/-1?parentProductId=1403915

Then buy 1/4 brake line with a 3/8 fitting at your local parts store. Then cut it in half and bend it over to the carbs. Buy an extra piece to run down to the fuel pump. All the lines can be bent by hand.
example of brake lines.
http://www.plews-edelmann.com/products/standard-steel-brake-lines/1/4-3/8-24-x-3/8-24-bubble-flare-/

Do not buy brake lines online. Go to the store to make sure you test fit and buy the correct lines for the tee fitting. You can't always trust the description of brake tees.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the clarifications, conrad. After looking at the brake junction photo, and then the one for the fuel lines, the fuel lines are definitely of a (slightly) larger diameter. Therefore the union nuts are also larger.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may be a good source? http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=963298
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:21 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

i have a pair of single port carbs that are kadron steel intake manifolds with the equal tube has not been cut... I want to put them on my 67 bug but Im not sure they will fit.. any info would greatful
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

The manifolds will fit any 1500cc or 1600cc single port engine. IF your 67 still has the original motor.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

Also will fit single port 1300 Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:43 am    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

Where would I look to get as close as possible to the OG Kadron perforated metal/filter mesh?

similar to the bellow

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Most metal places want me to buy 2meters square of the stuff
Worked out I need roughly 450mm x 90mm.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

14 gauge seems a bit thick ??
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

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Here's my set, the breather tube has been cut and welded in the aircleaner, and hole drilled underneath for whatever reason. I have the perforated steel covers for the filters, but they are mangled, and in the garage somewhere. I've got a set of hardliners made from brakeline I fitted to them. They sit on a set of steel manifolds.

Here's how I modified them for SVDA...

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Use your drill and a file to turn a steel pin to fit the vacuum channel, and then cut it to about 1/8" long...

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And then drive it down the channel with a punch, making sure to only block the bottom port below the throttle, leaving the upper port clear...

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Get yourself a 3/16" drill bit, and drill out the port plug on the carb body, I did this while my carbs were apart and venturies removed, but you are only going into the plug about 1/4" before it spins out with the bit. Next, get some 5/32" tubing and cut and deburr it. I found for my carbs that 7/8" worked great. Tap it in.

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Here they are installed on a 1600DP. Haven't tested the vacuum pull yet, since I need to grab an SVDA first.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

Loving this thread guys. I'm keen to get some Kadrons again, had a used set back in the 90's and as far as I remember they were great...and that was with an 009! Imagine it's better now we can modify to run with an svda.

Looking at the hard fuel lines, it seems they were never intended to be used with a regulator, but now the advice is to use one, perhaps they were better made back in the day?

How do you guys find them in winter, I have a daily driver so it is a consideration, but I've come to like them again so much, all practicalities are going out of the window! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:01 am    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

Lingwendil wrote:
Here's how I modified them for SVDA...

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Use your drill and a file to turn a steel pin to fit the vacuum channel, and then cut it to about 1/8" long...

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And then drive it down the channel with a punch, making sure to only block the bottom port below the throttle, leaving the upper port clear...

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That's such a good idea, nice details thanks
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

I just found this thread, Is any one familiar with the accelerator pump ball valve that looks to be 1 mm. I got a rebuild kit with 2.5 mm balls and they would not work. When I installed them the accelerator pump tube jammed them to tight in the hole and they would not move. New replacement tubes would not work. I ended up cutting off the bottom of an old tube to give it more room. Any ideas on the small ball?
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

pwmcguire wrote:
I just found this thread, Is any one familiar with the accelerator pump ball valve that looks to be 1 mm. I got a rebuild kit with 2.5 mm balls and they would not work. When I installed them the accelerator pump tube jammed them to tight in the hole and they would not move. New replacement tubes would not work. I ended up cutting off the bottom of an old tube to give it more room. Any ideas on the small ball?


I'm pretty sure you can get them from kaddy shack
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

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Here's an update, showing them hooked up with a tee connector on my (what I now know is) 1776.



They run very nice and give great (28~) gas mileage now.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions Reply with quote

Made a deal on this old 1972 bus with dual carbs and found this guy under the hatch! Ill have more info once I get it home. I couldnt tow the thing back behind my KTM Very Happy Any details on what I have? I dont quite see the matching part in this thread...


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