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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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Wow, what a tease! I was watching and it was taking forever so I skipped ahead and amazed they spent so much time on a video without driving it yet.
Amazing project - truly. I have watched, driven and been a part of vehicle prototypes for a long time and find that most people cannot appreciate the amount of work and time it takes to convert X to Y on something as complex as a vehicle. That is a piece of work. I hope someone posts the update when they are driving it.
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bluebus86
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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Hate to say it BlueBus but recharging a Tesla now takes about 15 minutes at a supercharger stop, which are usually located at a convenient freeway stop burger joint.
Trying to charge a depleted battery by solar on the wrong side of Death Valley is still a unsolved problem, but Tesla recognized major route range/refill time as a major hurdle and have put a huge amount of effort into successfully making it a non-issue. |
hate to say but 15 minutes is still too long for a recharge, and recharge stations are few and far between. hardly a non issue, specially if your on the wrong side of death valley. no thanks Ill keep my gasoline engine, now if only I did not have to subsidize this electric car crap, then it would reallly be a non issue... 
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HackAl
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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Flomulgator,
Ask someone you know to show you the demographics of their hybrids vs the rest of their car range for confirmation. The very richest and best educated buyers.
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Volkswagen plans to ‘leapfrog’ Tesla in electric car race (May be behind paywall for some).
“Anything Tesla can do, we can surpass,” declared Herbert Diess, head of the VW brand at its Wolfsburg headquarters. Moreover, he said, what Tesla will achieve in the premium market, VW will achieve in the volume market. “We are confident that in this new world we will become a market leader,” he added.
http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-is-planning-a-cheap-all-electric-assault-to-1794412686
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sTeeve
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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| IdahoDoug wrote: |
Wow, what a tease! I was watching and it was taking forever so I skipped ahead and amazed they spent so much time on a video without driving it yet.
Amazing project - truly. I have watched, driven and been a part of vehicle prototypes for a long time and find that most people cannot appreciate the amount of work and time it takes to convert X to Y on something as complex as a vehicle. That is a piece of work. I hope someone posts the update when they are driving it. |
Yes, amazing. The work that Bill has done in adapting the Tesla drivetrain to the Vanagon chassis is a marvel to behold. Not to mention the wiring and electronics. I am insanely jealous! The man does phenomenal work!
DC fast charging doesn't yet exist in the DIY conversion world; however, EVTV is working on a kit, and others are, as well. That will be a huge step forward.
Battery technology has finally arrived, and EV road trips non-Tesla style are already happening (ask me how I know!).
There's a couple who have been traveling around North America in their Model X towing a camping trailer .
Seems to me a perfect match: EVRV plugs-in at RV park, charges EV battery + runs all necessary electrical items like microwave, fridge, toaster, lights, pumps, yadayada. Next morning, EV battery is full, EVRV can move on. Or not. Stay and enjoy the pool and the campfire! Boondocking is a different kettle of fish, sure, but... 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc165Q7JW2_4fofx7VaRL7w
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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So why didn't they do just that? I'm glad they are doing this, but why waste all the engineering genius on cheating the smog tester when they could have done something really good?
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HackAl
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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Exactly. The "leapfrog" is a much needed distraction from the scandal that lets VW recast itself as an environmental champion.
I was intrigued by the electric bus concept VW recently unveiled but I can't help think it lacks imagination. The Telsa brand, at least for some, represents innovation and persistence against the grain. Mr. Diess' smug comments only serve to reinforce that. It's not enough to say you can do something "better". Do something new and extraordinary. That's why the bus is so iconic in first place.
Nice to know that American ingenuity is alive and well. VW might learn a thing or two meeting with shops like the one featured in the video and asking some questions. Good public relations anyway.
(Sorry Dave. I know nothing about actually transplanting drivetrains but do like this topic. Maybe split it?)
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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| HackAl wrote: |
| Exactly. The "leapfrog" is a much needed distraction from the scandal that lets VW recast itself as an environmental champion. |
....well said. Very easy to distract people in today's world. There's so much information coming in. If what you're publishing contains elements they want to hear - they'll believe the industry-tainted propaganda attached. It's easy for an entertainment company to make up news that people like, and tailor it to the clients wishes. All it takes is money to pay for the production. Perhaps it has always been easy. It can be done blatantly by an entertainment company that has a news outlet. Nobody really cares if their news comes from an entertainment company if it's what they want to hear.
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| Wonder if you can program a torque limitation to ~150 ft-lbs. With 317 ft lbs you could destroy all the bearings in a single romp. Especially with such torque at low RPM. |
Additionally, we are often guilty of inattention.  I finally watched the video and learned that this Tesla motor power is not passing thru a VW transaxle; this project uses the Tesla 'axle'. This DOKA can romp! However the 'little' VW axles are used, which could wear quickly. but as the builder explained the owner can replace the VW axles easily.
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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I have an idea!
Let's discuss transplanting a Tesla Drivetrain into a Vanagon!? Just like the OP started the thread.
Not the merits of or horrors of the electric vehicle.......
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This guy did it..
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There is a drive train on ebay with 25 miles for $10k btw
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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what state is he in ??
plates almost look like Wash., but the text is not long enuff
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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| Merian wrote: |
what state is he in ??
plates almost look like Wash., but the text is not long enuff |
Looks like they are in Missouri.
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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The Stretchla project was put on hiatus years ago due to parts not being available but looks like he's back at it.
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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spinning tires is all find and dandy, very green, But what is the range and recharge time for this van? how many kwhrs are required for a full charge from dead?
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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| spinning tires is all find and dandy, very green, But what is the range and recharge time for this van? how many kwhrs are required for a full charge from dead? |
I believe it gets an equivalent mileage of 3 dead cats/mile. 
I really like this video of the Tesla Model X, skip to about 3:30 to watch it race a "super car". Wouldn't want to put that torque through my Syncro tranny!
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Head+to+Head+...ORM=VRDGAR
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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| bluebus86 wrote: |
| spinning tires is all find and dandy, very green, But what is the range and recharge time for this van? how many kwhrs are required for a full charge from dead? |
I believe it gets an equivalent mileage of 3 dead cats/mile.
I really like this video of the Tesla Model X, skip to about 3:30 to watch it race a "super car". Wouldn't want to put that torque through my Syncro tranny!
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Head+to+Head+...ORM=VRDGAR
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Whats the carbon paw print of three cats??? (12 paws equate to how many charcoal brickettes?)
anyway, important info is needed, range, recharge time and electric consumed, all primary concerns when doing an electric comversion for many folks.
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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Bluebuss,
Since it is Tesla parts, start here.
https://www.tesla.com/models
Scroll down, you can get range, cost, and recharge time estimates as you change variables. Likely not a 1:1 with aerodynamics and whatever changes they did to the stock equipment. Not listed in cats/mile unfortunately.
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Another guy putting a T3 and Tesla together. |
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| raoul mitgong wrote: |
Bluebuss,
Since it is Tesla parts, start here.
https://www.tesla.com/models
Scroll down, you can get range, cost, and recharge time estimates as you change variables. Likely not a 1:1 with aerodynamics and whatever changes they did to the stock equipment. Not listed in cats/mile unfortunately.
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Yeah, but thats like estimating the mpg and range of a type IV vanagon, by reading the applicable values for a type IV 411 or 914.
Id like to know how this electric van does for range, kwhr for recharge, and charge time.
Spinning tires are not impressing me, lots of folks can build a toy car that can do that. I sure hope them tires where made from a zero carbon paw print, soy based rubber,
Good data on range and recharge time, and power used on the elctric vanagon is what is needed.
PS Rendered cat fat on the rear tires will really make them smoke during a burn out, carbon neutral too.
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