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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

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That's is helpful , thanks mike. , from the small amout of feedback I have received, the flange was not present on the split Beetles. Now I'm only trying to narrow it down to when for future builds and thread reference. Looking at your photo from the top you can see why VW added the flange later , you can see a gap being created as the firewall gets pushed back more and more over time after multiple motor removals and replacement or blown out tire , poor service ,whatever... I feel comfortable guessing it was introduced in 54 maybe late 53






Jason, if you look at this photo you can see that his car does have the flange and that it appears to have broken free right at the spot weld. see that little half moon shape and the little blob of spot weld that it used to be attached with?


I just checked my original 51 and it DOES have the return flange spot welded. I know its not a '47, but its reference.

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Dude... I see it now, This is getting to fun lol. You Rock Bro ...
so far 51 one Does have it!

hmmmmm? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Jake, Jason-

After actually knowing where to look and seeing my 54, Jake is right...my 51 has the same flange on both sides. Rear impact damage has caused it to separate on both sides.

Here's a shot of the passenger side...you can clearly see the flange

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So now 2 of 2 51's have the return flange. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:39 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Yes, also my 48 original trays have the flanges.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

You guys have all been very helpful and generous with your time. Im lucky to have you guys to help us out on this historic restoration.


Sincere thanks to you guys!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

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Jake, Jason-

After actually knowing where to look and seeing my 54, Jake is right...my 51 has the same flange on both sides. Rear impact damage has caused it to separate on both sides.

Here's a shot of the passenger side...you can clearly see the flange

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So now 2 of 2 51's have the return flange. Wink

-Mike


I know a guy that can fix that for you! Hee Hee Cool

(thanks for the help my friend)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Very cool man, I couldn't agree more! Good move.
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Looking Good! But why the name change?


Thanks for the support and the engaging question.

The name change has been on my heart for quite sometime now. The impact started about three years ago when my grandfathers trust fund was time released to his grandchildren. I received approx 10k each year for the last three years. I put almost every dime back into the shop and equipment. I began to have a huge sense of pride in how my grandfather was providing and pushing forward his family name long after he was gone. My grandfather comes from a time where your name was the most important thing you have, a time when folks looked to and counted on a trusted name (not a logo or catchy phrase ) for a positive experience and service.

looking back in history at every person or company with a Legacy behind the name. They where know for just that, Their Name. Then what they do.

I want to establish a Legacy for my sons and myself based on who we are and not just what we do.

I took a calculated risk changing the name but im confident in where it is taking us.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

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Yes, also my 48 original trays have the flanges.


That's very conclusive, I appreciate your input as always my friend. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Today was a pivotal day for the 47. After diligently looking over all the factors surrounding such a rare early Beetle, the 47 is now going to be dismantled, stripped , and primed. Upon its return it will be given the full metal treatment here at WrennMetallWerks

I will say, The car presented it self well from the passer by perspective, and had gained plenty of notoriety as a nice car. With that said , It was hoped that we could address some of the more aggressive issues in the front and rear , do some color match, source the correct stock components and get it back on the road to enjoy. As the project evolved and we really started looking hard at what potential damage may be hiding and is ready and willing to come back to haunt us down the road., the decision to push forward was made. I feel I can say that after painstaking calculations of so many factors, the owner began filling a overwhelming pull to take this build to to next level and knows it is absolutely with out a doubt a worthy endeavor and almost to a point of obligation to this extremely rare Volkswagen Beetle.

My hats off to Shawn for the intuition and courage to take on such a profound and rewarding project.

Please continue to stay tuned as we get it stripped down and ready to send out to be blasted and primed

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

I love this thread.

This restoration/resurrection is starting to remind me of the Grundmann's incredible "3806" project. I am blown away by the attention to detail of both restorations.

I would love to know the backstory of this '47. How and when did this body end up mated to a '65 pan? Whatever happened to the original motor and chassis?

I'm not a fan of lowered Beetles but when I first saw this one on the Oldbugs site I have to admit it looked pretty amazing. That said, I can hardly wait to see what it looks like once it has been restored to 100% stock.

You're doing an incredible job!!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

René R. wrote:
I love this thread.

This restoration/resurrection is starting to remind me of the Grundmann's incredible "3806" project. I am blown away by the attention to detail of both restorations.

I would love to know the backstory of this '47. How and when did this body end up mated to a '65 pan? Whatever happened to the original motor and chassis?

I'm not a fan of lowered Beetles but when I first saw this one on the Oldbugs site I have to admit it looked pretty amazing. That said, I can hardly wait to see what it looks like once it has been restored to 100% stock.

You're doing an incredible job!!


Thanks for the kind words. I thought I would take this opportunity to jump into the conversation and fill in some of the blanks; The 47 was discovered in Southern CA by a VW enthusiest by dumb luck. It was apparently brought back by a family member who was a returning serviceman. The 47 was missing its original pan and motor, as well as a couple body pieces. The pics I have seen of it then, it appeared to be in relatively rust free condition, and no major crash damage from an outward appearance. So a deal was made and it was purchased in a package along with an early Split cabriolet. It passed to the next owner, the previous owner before me. Obviously the former owners vision of how he wanted to build the car was different than mine. He may have decided to build as a semi-custom due to the pan missing, or maybe because of the daunting task it would be to undertake a stock correct restoration. so fast forward to when the car was completed by the previous owner: it got a lot of attention and was featured on the VW scene and in some very notable publications. When the car was for sale at oldbug.com I was interested but I knew that if I was to acquire the car my intention would be to return it back to 100% as correct stock as possible. Conversations with the previous owner led to negotiations on a part trade/ purchase where he was offered to keep some of the custom pieces of the car such as the engine and wheels. So fast forward again once I had the car: I had already known Jason from a previous meeting and I had seen his work he had done for a mutual friend of ours and I knew that he would be the one to be involved on this. initially the goal was to address a few repairs that were not done to my standards. but as we have ventured down this process we have slowly discovered more things that we were not happy with that we wanted to correct which is led us to where we are now with deciding that we want to make this car as correct as possible and making sure the body has been went over completely. I do have to say that in the last few months Jason and I have traveled to view 2 or 3 1940s splits in person for reference on this project. I can say that almost all of them we looked at had some sort of major repairs of some sort in the past. we actually came away with some of our questions unanswered after viewing all of those cars. The reason we have decided to move forward with stripping the rest of the body is we felt that because we have so far been focused so much on all the small details and doing so much research that it would be silly for us to not leave any stones unturned as far as the body goes. I have already been painstakingly collecting up any 47' parts needed to complete the restoration including date matched engine parts and drivetrain. also with the help of a friend I was able to locate a 47 chassis in Poland and arranged for a meticulous correct restoration by one of the leading restoration people on early split and KDF vehicles. The pan restoration is mostly complete and it was shipped to the US so we can assemble. So although the recent decision we have made is going to be a setback on the timeline of the restoration, and will add to the budget, I feel like the amount of people that are watching this restoration and have taken an interest in it, and all of those who have given input on it, we owe it to them and the rest of the VW community to do this car the way it should be done. These early CCG cars are a piece a Volkswagen history and deserve this kind of attention and craftmanship. I would personally like to thank everyone who has given us input thus far on this project, something like this would not be accomplished without it. We hope everyone will continue to stay tuned in on the progress of this great car. I will also try to post my own pictures at some point as well of other parts of the restoration that are outside of Jason's participation.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

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René R. wrote:
I love this thread.

This restoration/resurrection is starting to remind me of the Grundmann's incredible "3806" project. I am blown away by the attention to detail of both restorations.

I would love to know the backstory of this '47. How and when did this body end up mated to a '65 pan? Whatever happened to the original motor and chassis?

I'm not a fan of lowered Beetles but when I first saw this one on the Oldbugs site I have to admit it looked pretty amazing. That said, I can hardly wait to see what it looks like once it has been restored to 100% stock.

You're doing an incredible job!!


Thanks for the kind words. I thought I would take this opportunity to jump into the conversation and fill in some of the blanks; The 47 was discovered in Southern CA by a VW enthusiest my dumb luck. It was apparently brought back by a family member who was a returning serviceman. The 47 was missing its original pan and motor, as well as a couple body pieces. The pics I have seen of it then, it appeared to be in relatively rust free condition, and no major crash damage from an outward appearance. So a deal was made and it was purchased in a package along with an early Split cabriolet. It passed to the next owner, the previous owner before me. Obviously the former owners vision of how he wanted to build the car was different than mine. He may have decided to build as a semi-custom due to the pan missing, or maybe because of the daunting task it would be to undertake a stock correct restoration. so fast forward to when the car was completed by the previous owner: it got a lot of attention and was featured on the VW scene and in some very notable publications. When the car was for sale at oldbug.com I was interested but I knew that if I was to acquire the car my intention would be to return it back to 100% as correct stock as possible. Conversations with the previous owner led to negotiations on a part trade/ purchase where he was offered to keep some of the custom pieces of the car such as the engine and wheels. So fast forward again once I had the car: I had already known Jason from a previous meeting and I had seen his work he had done for a mutual friend of ours and I knew that he would be the one to be involved on this. initially the goal was to address a few repairs that were not done to my standards. but as we have ventured down this process we have slowly discovered more things that we were not happy with that we wanted to correct which is led us to where we are now with deciding that we want to make this car as correct as possible and making sure the body has been went over completely. I do have to say that in the last few months Jason and I have traveled to view 2 or 3 1940s splits in person for reference on this project. I can say that almost all of them we looked at had some sort of major repairs of some sort in the past. we actually came away with some of our questions unanswered after viewing all of those cars. The reason we have decided to move forward with stripping the rest of the body is we felt that because we have so far been focused so much on all the small details and doing so much research that it would be silly for us to not leave any stones unturned as far as the body goes. I have already been painstakingly collecting up any 47' parts needed to complete the restoration including date matched engine parts and drivetrain. also with the help of a friend I was able to locate a 47 chassis in Poland and arranged for a meticulous correct restoration by one of the leading restoration people on early split and KDF vehicles. The pan was shipped to the US and is in transit as we speak. So although the recent decision we have made is going to be a setback on the timeline of the restoration and obviously will add to the budget, I feel like the amount of people that are watching this restoration and have taken an interest in it, and all of those who have given input on it, we owe it to them and the rest of the VW community to do this car the way it should be done. These early CCG cars are a piece a Volkswagen history and deserve this kind of attention and craftmanship. I would personally like to thank everyone who has given us input thus far on this project, something like this would not be accomplished without it. We hope everyone will continue to stay tuned in on the progress of this gray car I will also try to post my own pictures at some point as well of other parts of the restoration that are outside of Jason's participation.


This is going to get soooooo damn good.

Cant wait for progress.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Here some pics of the 47' chassis/ pan as it underwent restoration. All metal work was done; pan halves, tunnel opened up, inspected, and repaired. Work was performed in Poland and then transported to BBT in Belgium for staging to be shipped to U.S.; It arrived in US this week. We will soon paint and assemble....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

A few pics of the 25hp engine we will be building for the 47' at some point. It was in long term storage in the UK until we brought it here...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

That's insane how good the chassis looks now!! Well done
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

I'm really enjoying this. Keep it coming.

BTW I wish we could add Volkswagen to the Power Block! Engine power needs to do some boxers, Extreme Off Road needs to do some Baja cars and European Muscle could do some VW hot rods.

Back to your regular programming...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

I am very impressed!
For that cool project, you need the best interieur. This must be somethink for you:
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

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I am very impressed!
For that cool project, you need the best interieur. This must be somethink for you:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2024505


Thanks so much for sharing. I thinks Its fantastic what you are doing all of that for the VW scene. Cool

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I'm really enjoying this. Keep it coming.

BTW I wish we could add Volkswagen to the Power Block! Engine power needs to do some boxers, Extreme Off Road needs to do some Baja cars and European Muscle could do some VW hot rods.

Back to your regular programming...

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Glad you are enjoying it. Thanks for following along. Smile
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That's insane how good the chassis looks now!! Well done


Very impressive Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Just popping up to say 'nice job'..

Know that there are lots of us lurkers out there who aren't at a high-enough level with these things to have anything to add..! Laughing

Nice to watch the masters being able to 'do their thing' thanks to a customer who has the dedication/drive/money/brains.

Thanks for everyone who takes the time to post up pics and info to make this thread happen.


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It seemed totally wrong to me that the rest of the shell was being left in 'mystery primer'.. Wink

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