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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

Super Cool tins....


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

So there's no Type 1 shroud?

It's apples and bowling balls.

Those tins are factory for a Type 3 but not a Type 1. Looks like it gets air horizontally like on a Type 3 and not vertically like a Type 1.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

The factory type one parts tie the all of the tin on the rear of the engine (including cyl head tin) together, making everything fit tightly with no gaps. Remove them and it all gets sloppy. But hey, some guys like it sloppy Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

On the subject of thermostats, how many people would pull the thermostat out of their water cooled car and throw it away?
None?
Why would you do it to an air cooled one then?
If any one out there wants to throw them away, throw them my way please! I will pay the shipping as I have 2 buggies that run like crap without them unless I have my foot buried in the carburetor full time. I need the flaps, linkage and springs please!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

Those in hot or moderate climates removed them in the belief they were not needed and/or were prone to failure. There is a long argument here, so I won't repeat it.

But if you want them, post a want-to-buy (WTB) ad in the classifieds. Also, there is at least one supplier reproducing them, though those are pricey.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

Years ago I bought into that load of male bovine rectal excretion too and threw it all away. Then I fought with drivability issues and premature cylinder wear and it never once dawned on me that I had caused my own grief! I deeply regret not saving those parts.
Dad was a lot smarter than me and maintained his cooling system properly and had much better luck with his engine.
Yes the thermostats are available still and I would happily pay what they want but they are useless without all the rest of the parts.

I will try an add and see what happens, thanks!

By the way, the thermostats always fail open so that fear is unfounded.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

modok wrote:
I used to think the 6 fins was for ethanol too, but I was wrong.
They have different pistons for gas and alky. Big dish in piston for the lower CR gas. I still have not seen one of these pistons. If you see one take a picture for us Very Happy

Remember a lot of the VW engines in the 80's were going towards a "May fireball" chamber design, with more and more combustion space being in the piston dish and less in the head. Certainly could make the piston run a little hotter and the head a little cooler.


Well, here it is:

Gasoline piston, with big dish
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Ethanol piston, you can note a slight dome on top
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These are uncommon: the 1300 Ethanol VW Gol head and pistons. They have a deeper chamber, a big dome and the valves are in angle. Because their valves, studs, rocker arms and other components are not interchangeable with another T1 engines, they become very rare. May be a Porsche stuff ? I dont know too much about it.

Although the single port, they flow very well.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

Thank you!
Wow that IS a big dish.....looks like a piston from a diesel! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

For those use the Super Cool do you still use the small front Deflector and the lower deflector ? I think that with the SC they need do be adapted to fit....

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:46 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

Yes, you must use those deflectors too, they fit without adaptations
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

the funkey end peices dont fit with the super cool tin. I dont like the type 1 stuff and wont use it.the type 3 has full round cylinder cooling better than the type one stuff. but ytou need to be smarter than what your trying to assemble witch is a long shot from what Ive read and seen. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

I have to say something. Berg says to use these so called cool tins , so I did. I always felt the engine seems to run hotter with these air restrictors installed. My 1835 went 5000 miles before pulling the lower head studs out. After repairing with inserts I tossed the cool tins and put the type 1 deflectors back in. 2000 miles later , engine seems to run cooler. I did ad a temp gauge after the repair. But do not have any data sorry, just seat of the pants feel.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

It depends on your setup.if you don't have allot the type one tin in place and sealed yup portably will be better off with these. But you can't fix stupid.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

Boolean, the "6 fins" compression ratios where the same of the 8´s: 7.5 for gasoline, and 10:1 for ethanol ones.

The ethanol in these engines is a very cool thing, transform them in a little devil. You should experiment it. Twisted Evil[/quote]

i'm working on an E85 1835 as a rally engine i would like to hear more about the ethanol engines
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

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These are uncommon: the 1300 Ethanol VW Gol head and pistons. They have a deeper chamber, a big dome and the valves are in angle. Because their valves, studs, rocker arms and other components are not interchangeable with another T1 engines, they become very rare. May be a Porsche stuff ? I dont know too much about it.

Although the single port, they flow very well.

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I like these heads. wish they had made it over hear in large numbers as production stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

GTV wrote:
The factory type one parts tie the all of the tin on the rear of the engine (including cyl head tin) together, making everything fit tightly with no gaps. Remove them and it all gets sloppy. But hey, some guys like it sloppy Laughing
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so just where are the type 1 tins tied to the other tins?? never seen that peace before Rolling Eyes or are you talking about that big gap Shocked speaking about sloppy....like the moron trying to use apples for bolwing balls...or is he trying to go bobbing for bowling balls Shocked
as I recall the type 3 cool tins do remove the LARGE gaps and send pumped air all nicely directed around the cylinders to remove heat before disposing of it downward. And as I recall they also keep the head studs "encapsulated" in the air stream pretty good so they heat&expand ,cool&contract kinda evenly...witch helps the chrome on the front bumper deflect the blowing ball from the guy eating the apple who isant paying attn to squat as he drops it on somebody else car....now orange you glad you have that extra protection of the type 3 cool tins...or do you have gap insurance Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

Hello.
For some reason I never noticed this thread before. Anyways, back in the late 90íes and early 2000´s we did a comprehensive cooling test with varius solutions on a type 1 engine with regular type 1 heads. All sorts of combinations. - Small and wide cooling fan. Stock doghouse versus early. Stock doghouse versus 30 hp style. Modified type 4 cooling fan (Joe Lociero style) in type 1 housing. DTM shroud with stock - and modified type 4 fan. Porsche fan shroud etc etc.
At that time we found that the "super cool" tin does absolutely no improvement on a type 1 based engine compared to the same engine equipped with ALL the type 1 tins. In fact the Super cool tin draws 1 hp more @ 5000 rpm compared to stock doghouse type 1.
If you leave out some of the stock type 1 tin, such as the small pieces behind cylinder 2 & 4 (which people often do (sadly) the picture changes immediately, and you create hot spots in the 5 & 7 o clock respectively position on the cylinder.
Wrt. the flaps. Below approx 3000 engine rpm the air gets distributed a little better with the flaps compared to no flaps. Above 3000 rpm there is very little difference if any.
It is much more important to install the divider (if you use aftermarket cool tin) That alone can reduce head temps with 10-15 degrees...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

Alstrup wrote:
Hello.
For some reason I never noticed this thread before. Anyways, back in the late 90íes and early 2000´s we did a comprehensive cooling test with varius solutions on a type 1 engine with regular type 1 heads. All sorts of combinations. - Small and wide cooling fan. Stock doghouse versus early. Stock doghouse versus 30 hp style. Modified type 4 cooling fan (Joe Lociero style) in type 1 housing. DTM shroud with stock - and modified type 4 fan. Porsche fan shroud etc etc.
At that time we found that the "super cool" tin does absolutely no improvement on a type 1 based engine compared to the same engine equipped with ALL the type 1 tins. In fact the Super cool tin draws 1 hp more @ 5000 rpm compared to stock doghouse type 1.
If you leave out some of the stock type 1 tin, such as the small pieces behind cylinder 2 & 4 (which people often do (sadly) the picture changes immediately, and you create hot spots in the 5 & 7 o clock respectively position on the cylinder.
Wrt. the flaps. Below approx 3000 engine rpm the air gets distributed a little better with the flaps compared to no flaps. Above 3000 rpm there is very little difference if any.
It is much more important to install the divider (if you use aftermarket cool tin) That alone can reduce head temps with 10-15 degrees...

Hope this helps.

Definitely helped me answer a question that another member planted in my head....I'll be putting the small pieces of tin behind 2 and 4 tomorrow. ....also the small pieces behind one and 3
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

correct if your not running all the oe tin then the type 3 works gooder. as for the hp loss, thats the fan being loaded more thus pumping more air. if you want more hp block off the fan so it dosent have air to put a load on it.....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:16 am    Post subject: Re: Tropical Cylinder Air Deflector aka Super Cool tins Reply with quote

mark tucker wrote:
correct if your not running all the oe tin then the type 3 works gooder. as for the hp loss, thats the fan being loaded more thus pumping more air. if you want more hp block off the fan so it dosent have air to put a load on it.....


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