hazet 1850-6 pliers differences

[composite]

I have two different hazet pliers. Both have special Hazet 1850-6" steel germany on the inside handle. The scalloping on the outside of the handles are different plus one is duller. The duller one is also heavier. Anyone give me any clues why or what time frame the duller one belongs to. The duller one has come out of my 56-58 era tool box. Trying to work out if it is correct for it.

[mac_intosh]

At that time they offered two different finishes - chromed and gloss chromed. The gossy one was a little more expensive.
To find in the 1958 catalog.

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thanks

[noheb]

I thought they were experimenting with the "chrome vanadium" plating in the early/mid 50's. ?

I'm thinking:
The plier with the "dull" plating is from 1955, the glossy one is 1956 or later.

At some point there were two different finishes:
"Chrome" and some "Semi-dull" finish, but the "semi-dull" was not as dull as the one in question.

That dull plier is ca. early 1955 - 1956 because:
- That shape with the ribbed handle first came ca. around early 1955
- The "dull" plating was discuntinued around 1956 ?

I will try and support this "theory" with some pictures, here goes:

1954:

(Close-up)

1955 early:

(Later than) 1956 (chrome):

(Later than) 1956 (semi-dull):

Pliers (semi-dull):

[mac_intosh]

I think you made a good point and story there. The "dull" plating was gone between 1958 and 1961 according to the old catalogs.

"Chrome Vanadium" was already used in the 1930s, but not so much as later.

Implied that the boxes are filled with their original tools, the change for them were around 1956 as you wrote. Nice detective work !

Sadly I found only printed pictures of the Tourist until now, but still searching.

(1952)

(US-model, 1952)

[noheb]

I never knew there were two different finishes being offered at the SAME time until you mentioned it earlier in this thread, Mac_Intosh.

But I now found pictures of two Hazet boxes which shows a clear difference. I edited them into my above post.

Does that mean there have been the following different platings:

1951 - 1955: "Dull"
1956 - ca.1960: "Chrome" or "Semi-dull"
then from ca. 1960: just "Semi-dull"

???? Or something like that?

[mac_intosh]

Well, I must admit, I was not aware of it either until you started this thread (although I have an old 300 wrench, which is also only dull chromed).

For the history:
The patent of the "Tourist" was first announced in 1951. The declaration came out in 1952 (see the attached scan) with backdated until 1950 (don´t know how that works...). Sadly they don´t say anything about the finishing of the tools.

I think for a final conclusion you have to take into account some more information like the well known http://www.356.ca/roundbox.htm - site. I´ll search and dig some more.

You certainly already know that you can download the old catalogs here: http://www.hazet.de/de/home/my-hazet/hazet-in-der-historie/ where I get some information from.

But you are on a good way and the "plating question" seems to be answered soon .

[composite]

Thanks for all the interesting info. This is the tool kit that the duller pliers came out of. Another interesting thing is the small screwdriver has different branding of hazet 814-02 on the shaft compared to my other ones.

[noheb]

[composite]

Thank you for that info. It is another good way to check for originality of a kit or getting the kit finished correctly. Is there a difference like that for the 760 pliers. May have to pull some out of my kits and count. Just for reference sake those bottom pliers in the picture came from my one year only 1960 tool kit.

[noheb]

You're welcome. The 760s all seem to have 13 ribs on each side, so only difference here is the color of the plating... Well, they also vary a little in how much space is between the two handles/legs, so for the 1960 one-year-only box you'd have to have a Hazet 760 with enough space for the medium screwdriver to fit between here.

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[Buba]

Hi Folks,
Are this pliers for 16" Toolboxes?

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52 Ambulance
57 SC
57 Oval
60 SO23
60 Bug

[noheb]

No, that one is 1953 - from sometime in, I guess, early spring 1953 till end of 1953.

See the difference here, under '1953b':
www.HazetGuide.com

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[Buba]

Nice guide!

And what should be the difference between the 1951 an 1953b pliers? Look the same in that guide.

Thanks!!
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52 Ambulance
57 SC
57 Oval
60 SO23
60 Bug

[noheb]

Thanks

The comparison Shown here is the 1951 and 1953b pliers.
The most significant difference is the handle tips and the color.

Late 1952 - early 1953 pliers has one large 'diamond' on each handle. Will take pictures next weekend.

[bwaz]

Trying to identify these pliers that came in a spare tire toolkit I bought. It’s more chrome like than a dull finish. No markings on the handles.