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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

I have a 69 convertible with three point seat belts- the problem is they don't pull out- any way to trip the locking mechanism or such thing?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

I recommend NOT fixing - those things are almost 50 years old !!! Get some modern HumVee type retractable units, like I have in my 1971 Convertible.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

So, here's the thing. Original 1969 VW Beetle seat belts were non-retractable. They had a spring winder that pulled the slack out of the belts when you took them off so they were less likely to get caught in the door. And they were meant to be hung up on a little hook when they weren't being used so back seat passengers wouldn't get tangled up in them when getting in and out of the car. None of this worked particularly well.

If your belts are retractable they are not stock, so no way to really know how to make them work without pictures.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

You might be able to get away with removing them all together. If they didn't come in the car when it was made you don't have to have them. Maybe your state is different though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

kawfee wrote:
You might be able to get away with removing them all together. If they didn't come in the car when it was made you don't have to have them. Maybe your state is different though.


AFAIK all of the contiguous United States require seat belts in cars that had them as standard equipment.
I wear mine religiously. If I get behind the wheel they are on. Even when I'm moving the car in a parking lot without the belt on I feel uncomfortable.

Wear seat belts. They save lives. Even in a 50yo VW Beetle Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

67rustavenger wrote:

AFAIK all of the contiguous United States require seat belts in cars that had them as standard equipment.


That is probably true. In Texas you only have to wear them if the car was made with them in it or if someone installed them in the car at a later date and they remain. If your car wasn't made with them you do not have to have them as long as there are none in the car currently.

Seat belts save and they don't. They've never saved my life. I don't believe in them unless I am in an open roof car.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

buy new
http://www.westcoastmetric.com/search.html?q=seat+belt&go=Search
I have a VW Convertible and I found the stock 3 point belts really painful due to the height of the upper anchor.
Nothing short of installing a roll bar with higher anchor would solve this problem, so I installed new lap belts instead.
These cars really don't do well in crashes, but you'll do a lot better if you don't get thrown out of the car because you had no seat belt on.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

Factory seat belt retractors looked like this http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C16-111-704A $9

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

KSKI wrote:
I have a 69 convertible with three point seat belts- the problem is they don't pull out- any way to trip the locking mechanism or such thing?


If they are retractable REPA ones that were retrofitted at some point, I can help you get it unstuck. Post some pics.

The other comments above apply -- there are safer ones available today. Even a properly working original REPA (even if belts were not weakened with age) will be outperformed by a new unit.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

kawfee wrote:
You might be able to get away with removing them all together. If they didn't come in the car when it was made you don't have to have them. Maybe your state is different though.


Vw shipped the car with seat belts, but not with retractable seat belts. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

I FULLY second the Humvee belts. I put a set in my 1969 and they work great. The belts are cheap and the quality is very high.

I did make a small modification. These belts have a habit of the clip sliding all the way down to the anchor point on the floor. It makes them hard to just grab and sling over your shoulder to click them in. to fix this, I hand sewed a small round black button about shoulder height on the belt. This keeps the clip in part in the perfect position to just grab it, click it in and go. My Nissan truck has a similar button from the factory, just for this problem.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

bobinphx wrote:
I FULLY second the Humvee belts. I put a set in my 1969 and they work great. The belts are cheap and the quality is very high.


Oh yes: I had to buy a pair of inexpensive brackets for these for mine.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:34 am    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

Mr. Cusser directed me to the Humm Vee style of seatbelts. They are fine and dandy!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

x2, x3, x4? on the Humvee seat belts. They are cheap, easy to install, and work perfectly. Search this site for more info and where on ebay to find them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

67rustavenger wrote:
kawfee wrote:
You might be able to get away with removing them all together. If they didn't come in the car when it was made you don't have to have them. Maybe your state is different though.


AFAIK all of the contiguous United States require seat belts in cars that had them as standard equipment.

All cars sold in the US since 1967 must have seat belts. VW had the mount points in the body from the early '60s. In '66 they were optional and many came with them. In '67 they were installed in all US model Beetles.
Rear seat belts may have come later as mandatory?

FYI, my '67 came with funky retractable seat belts that hooked to a chrome "loop" mounted between the front seats. Those were the "early days" of automotive safety! It was one step ahead of tying a rope around your waist! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

That's very novel.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle Reply with quote

KSKI wrote:
I have a 69 convertible with three point seat belts- the problem is they don't pull out- any way to trip the locking mechanism or such thing?


Most retractable seatbelts need to be positioned/orientated correctly to pull out without locking up. There's a 'sweetspot' where they can be pulled out and this varies from type to type. There's a ballbearing in a hollow and if it's not seated down fully it is pushing up on a ratchet arm and locking the gear so the belt won't unwind. To get the ball down into the lowest position and freeing the ratchet means you need to move the springloaded roller mechanism in 2D to get tilt right on both axes. It is a very small sweetspot, have patience and keep moving and pulling the belt. Then install them in that position...
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