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KSKI Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2015 Posts: 332 Location: WV
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:41 pm Post subject: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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I have a 69 convertible with three point seat belts- the problem is they don't pull out- any way to trip the locking mechanism or such thing? _________________ My VOLKSWAGEN DOES IT --- AGAIN |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31362 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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I recommend NOT fixing - those things are almost 50 years old !!! Get some modern HumVee type retractable units, like I have in my 1971 Convertible. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8699 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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So, here's the thing. Original 1969 VW Beetle seat belts were non-retractable. They had a spring winder that pulled the slack out of the belts when you took them off so they were less likely to get caught in the door. And they were meant to be hung up on a little hook when they weren't being used so back seat passengers wouldn't get tangled up in them when getting in and out of the car. None of this worked particularly well.
If your belts are retractable they are not stock, so no way to really know how to make them work without pictures. _________________ Brian
'69 Dune Buggy
'69 Beetle Convertible
'70 Beetle |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6595 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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You might be able to get away with removing them all together. If they didn't come in the car when it was made you don't have to have them. Maybe your state is different though. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9759 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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kawfee wrote: |
You might be able to get away with removing them all together. If they didn't come in the car when it was made you don't have to have them. Maybe your state is different though. |
AFAIK all of the contiguous United States require seat belts in cars that had them as standard equipment.
I wear mine religiously. If I get behind the wheel they are on. Even when I'm moving the car in a parking lot without the belt on I feel uncomfortable.
Wear seat belts. They save lives. Even in a 50yo VW Beetle _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6595 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
AFAIK all of the contiguous United States require seat belts in cars that had them as standard equipment.
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That is probably true. In Texas you only have to wear them if the car was made with them in it or if someone installed them in the car at a later date and they remain. If your car wasn't made with them you do not have to have them as long as there are none in the car currently.
Seat belts save and they don't. They've never saved my life. I don't believe in them unless I am in an open roof car. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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ach60 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2001 Posts: 4139 Location: Santa Maria
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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buy new
http://www.westcoastmetric.com/search.html?q=seat+belt&go=Search
I have a VW Convertible and I found the stock 3 point belts really painful due to the height of the upper anchor.
Nothing short of installing a roll bar with higher anchor would solve this problem, so I installed new lap belts instead.
These cars really don't do well in crashes, but you'll do a lot better if you don't get thrown out of the car because you had no seat belt on. _________________ Good Luck
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31362 Location: Hot Arizona
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bnam Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2006 Posts: 2936 Location: El Dorado Hills CA/ Bangalore, India
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:20 am Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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KSKI wrote: |
I have a 69 convertible with three point seat belts- the problem is they don't pull out- any way to trip the locking mechanism or such thing? |
If they are retractable REPA ones that were retrofitted at some point, I can help you get it unstuck. Post some pics.
The other comments above apply -- there are safer ones available today. Even a properly working original REPA (even if belts were not weakened with age) will be outperformed by a new unit. |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8699 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:23 am Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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kawfee wrote: |
You might be able to get away with removing them all together. If they didn't come in the car when it was made you don't have to have them. Maybe your state is different though. |
Vw shipped the car with seat belts, but not with retractable seat belts. _________________ Brian
'69 Dune Buggy
'69 Beetle Convertible
'70 Beetle |
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bobinphx Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2016 Posts: 165
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:25 am Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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I FULLY second the Humvee belts. I put a set in my 1969 and they work great. The belts are cheap and the quality is very high.
I did make a small modification. These belts have a habit of the clip sliding all the way down to the anchor point on the floor. It makes them hard to just grab and sling over your shoulder to click them in. to fix this, I hand sewed a small round black button about shoulder height on the belt. This keeps the clip in part in the perfect position to just grab it, click it in and go. My Nissan truck has a similar button from the factory, just for this problem.
Get the belts. javascript:emoticon('') |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31362 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:29 am Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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bobinphx wrote: |
I FULLY second the Humvee belts. I put a set in my 1969 and they work great. The belts are cheap and the quality is very high. |
Oh yes: I had to buy a pair of inexpensive brackets for these for mine. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:34 am Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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Mr. Cusser directed me to the Humm Vee style of seatbelts. They are fine and dandy! _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
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Tom K. Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2005 Posts: 1605 Location: Central Pennsylvania
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15982 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:52 am Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
kawfee wrote: |
You might be able to get away with removing them all together. If they didn't come in the car when it was made you don't have to have them. Maybe your state is different though. |
AFAIK all of the contiguous United States require seat belts in cars that had them as standard equipment. |
All cars sold in the US since 1967 must have seat belts. VW had the mount points in the body from the early '60s. In '66 they were optional and many came with them. In '67 they were installed in all US model Beetles.
Rear seat belts may have come later as mandatory?
FYI, my '67 came with funky retractable seat belts that hooked to a chrome "loop" mounted between the front seats. Those were the "early days" of automotive safety! It was one step ahead of tying a rope around your waist!
Pics I found of the '67 seat belt:
_________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6595 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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That's very novel. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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Volks Wagen Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2013 Posts: 2926 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: seat belt repair 1969 beetle |
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KSKI wrote: |
I have a 69 convertible with three point seat belts- the problem is they don't pull out- any way to trip the locking mechanism or such thing? |
Most retractable seatbelts need to be positioned/orientated correctly to pull out without locking up. There's a 'sweetspot' where they can be pulled out and this varies from type to type. There's a ballbearing in a hollow and if it's not seated down fully it is pushing up on a ratchet arm and locking the gear so the belt won't unwind. To get the ball down into the lowest position and freeing the ratchet means you need to move the springloaded roller mechanism in 2D to get tilt right on both axes. It is a very small sweetspot, have patience and keep moving and pulling the belt. Then install them in that position... _________________ 1973 1303 with AB-motor - sporadic
reconstruction as time permits, 1986 ex-Bundeswehr Doka - on the road again.
I'm definitely, probably, the worlds greatest lover.
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