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ataraxia Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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[email protected] wrote: |
Erik G wrote: |
ataraxia wrote: |
They'd look a bit strange on a VW though. |
agreed. not so bad on a 944 with pop-up headlights. Or a Baja like Mark has
The jeep guys seem to like them |
Erik, your pictures are about the same results I have with the Bus. MUCH better than the off the shelf sealed beam halogens that were in it. As for looking strange... How many people are going to pass you the opposite way, and for the split second they can even identify what the vehicle is, say to themselves "wow, that looked really stupid on a classic VW"? If they help me to see an animal on the road at 1am on the way home from a show/track, I don't care if they're red in color, or what others think. |
About the only LED headlight that I've seen in person that's better than the Truck Lite is the JW Speaker 8700 Evolution 2 LED headlight. It looks good on lifted trucks/off road vehicles but would look really odd on a classic VW.
Fairly consistently rated better for cutoff / light dispersion than the Truck Lite - and don't care about how it looks - it's right up your alley.
http://www.jwspeaker.com/products/led-headlights-model-8700-evolution-2/ |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2003 Posts: 4863 Location: Harmony, PA
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:10 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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I do see now why you would think it would look odd. The Vintage LED's have more of a white color than a halogen, but when they are off, they look no different than a Hella shell with an H4 bulb. I guess if you had the odd looking ones on your concours show Oval, then yeah, that would look odd. I'm still of the opinion, if it helps me see, I really don't care how others view it. |
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Erik G Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:49 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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Ok, but you are primarily drag racing your car right? They are fugly - but probably cool on jeeps and mad max or fast and furious type cars.
I have no idea about that Vintage LED brand, I've never seen them, never seen shots of the spread or throw or pattern. The guy is even local to me I think, never posted pics. I'm sure they are just generic e-codes with a commercially available bulb. I would think they would have a problem dissipating heat in a sealed VW fender too
But:
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2003 Posts: 4863 Location: Harmony, PA
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:47 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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The Vintage LED's are adequate enough for me. No one said anything about them in the Bus while off at two of the largest local VW shows, so they must not stand out too much. The JW light would look goofy to me in any vehicle, but if they were the head, and shoulders best option on a vehicle that gets driven, I'd put them on a Model T. I mainly thought you were talking about the appearance of something like the Vintage light, which to me doesn't look any different at all from a stock light. Most of our vehicles are trailered, or driven during the daytime. It's those that drive a lot, or all year when the days are short would any better headlight help any. I actually used to race with my headlights off some of the time, so the track visability wasn't any part of the equation for me. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:07 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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I think the googler eyes would look ok in early with the fluted lens....but how that affects the light may be a issue...or may not. I got some low power h4 led's to ty in mine, there cheep, only36 watt I see how they do in my std dead housings then in the projector housings when i get a chance to do some swaping and painting of the bucktes ( early style lights in my bud looken real dinghy) |
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vintagecarleds Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:46 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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Erik G wrote: |
Ok, but you are primarily drag racing your car right? They are fugly - but probably cool on jeeps and mad max or fast and furious type cars.
I have no idea about that Vintage LED brand, I've never seen them, never seen shots of the spread or throw or pattern. The guy is even local to me I think, never posted pics. I'm sure they are just generic e-codes with a commercially available bulb. I would think they would have a problem dissipating heat in a sealed VW fender too
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Photos of the beam are listed on our website per product.
Beam photos are of 1 lens (not two)
No issue dissipating heat in the fender.
https://vintagecarleds.com/product-category/7-inch/
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Erik G Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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yeah - and last time you said you would post pics that didn't happen
again, none against a wall, none of the spread, none of the throw. They look nice so thats one part of the equation down, 3 more to go... _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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vintagecarleds Samba Member
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nextgen Samba Member
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Erik G Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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ahhhh - I was looking through the gallery pics. Definitely good for still looking like a normal headlight
how about some like this for some context?
as for reviews -I don't much care for un-educated reviews. There are still a lot of people that think their HID drop ins are perfectly fine - know what I mean? I have a hard enough time with my personal friends and their drop ins... _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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nextgen Samba Member
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theastronaut Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2007 Posts: 1631 Location: Anderson, SC
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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If you're looking to upgrade your headlights, candlepowerforums.com has an automotive lighting section with the most well-educated moderators and members on any type of headlight you could imagine. Check over there to see what those guys recommend. I'm super happy with my Cibie Z-Beams and Cibie e-codes in my daily drivers, both with relay harnesses and high quality bulbs. They perform much better then Dapper Lighting's 7" V2 HID headlights, which turned out to nothing but overpriced low quality chinese halogen projectors.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?87-Automotive-Motorcycles-Included
VintageCarLED's is selling "DOT" Autopal headlights with drop in LED bulbs, which are illegal to use on the road... Check ebay for the same housings they use, only $27.95. Search on candlepowerforums for those guys opinions/reviews of Autopal "headlights". Also, the DOT doesn't "approve" any aftermarket headlights, so stay away from companies that claim that their lights are "DOT approved"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-H6024-H4-DOT-EURO-CONVERSION-HEADLIGHTS-KIT-/230154579474
More info on DOT approval:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?387801-DOT-approved-headlights _________________ Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exist and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough."
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vintagecarleds Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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Erik G wrote: |
ahhhh - I was looking through the gallery pics. Definitely good for still looking like a normal headlight
how about some like this for some context?
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I can do that for you, Looks like the test car they used in those photos was a Jeep YJ? Not sure of which car the other photo shows.
In order to replicate that test, I need to know:
What ISO setting the camera used was in.
Distance the headlights were from each other (center to center)
Distance from the center of each headlight to the ground.
Looks like a almost perfect flat asphalt road, I think I have one like that near me.
After I get this info I can replicate those tests for a valid comparison.
However that top headlight is a Modern Jeep headlight, What If I do the same test as above but with the following units below tested at the same ISO Setting?
Stock Sealed beam (What all U.S. Spec VW's came from the factory with)
Hella lens with a H4 Bulb.
Hella Lens with our LED bulb.
Autopal Lens with a H4 bulb.
Autopal Lens with our LED bulb.
I think this would be a better test?
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vintagecarleds Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:29 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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Just a few corrections.
First off, you are correct, we are using Autopal headlights with drop in LEDs. We’ve done extensive testing and found that the Autopal lenses offer the best value and the best beam pattern for our LED design. We offer an upgrade to Hella lenses for those who prefer them, but we recommend sticking with the Autopal lenses for those reasons.
Secondly, you are also correct that our lights are not technically legal for on road use. However, the only lights that are legal are Halogen bulbs that exactly duplicate the Original Equipment Manufacturers design with respect to voltage, wiring and output. If you replace original sealed beam headlights with anything other than duplicates of those headlights than they are not legal for on road use. (Per FMVSS 108 S7.3-S7.9)
Third, you are correct that the DOT does not certify any lights themselves. However, a manufacturer may certify that they meet the requirements themselves. From 49 U.S.C. 30115: In General.— A manufacturer or distributor of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment shall certify to the distributor or dealer at delivery that the vehicle or equipment complies with applicable motor vehicle safety standards prescribed under this chapter. A person may not issue the certificate if, in exercising reasonable care, the person has reason to know the certificate is false or misleading in a material respect. Certification of a vehicle must be shown by a label or tag permanently fixed to the vehicle. Certification of equipment may be shown by a label or tag on the equipment or on the outside of the container in which the equipment is delivered.
Anyone who spends more than a few hours a year driving at night knows that sealed beam bulbs are not just bad, but borderline unsafe at modern speeds. We have done our best to offer our customers the best value to improve their headlight. We have never argued that our lights are the best. If you are willing to spend $500-$600 and forgo the classic look, you can get better lights from JW Speaker and several other brands.
We do think that our lights are the best you can get if you want your car to retain their vintage appearance and upgrade your lights.
The above listed forms are listed here:
(Per FMVSS 108 S7.3-S7.9)
(From 49 U.S.C. 30115)
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2004-title49-vol5/xml/CFR-2004-title49-vol5-sec571-108.xml
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/30115
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Erik G Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:57 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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vintagecarleds wrote: |
Erik G wrote: |
ahhhh - I was looking through the gallery pics. Definitely good for still looking like a normal headlight
how about some like this for some context?
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I can do that for you, Looks like the test car they used in those photos was a Jeep YJ? Not sure of which car the other photo shows.
In order to replicate that test, I need to know:
What ISO setting the camera used was in.
Distance the headlights were from each other (center to center)
Distance from the center of each headlight to the ground.
Looks like a almost perfect flat asphalt road, I think I have one like that near me.
After I get this info I can replicate those tests for a valid comparison.
However that top headlight is a Modern Jeep headlight, What If I do the same test as above but with the following units below tested at the same ISO Setting?
Stock Sealed beam (What all U.S. Spec VW's came from the factory with)
Hella lens with a H4 Bulb.
Hella Lens with our LED bulb.
Autopal Lens with a H4 bulb.
Autopal Lens with our LED bulb.
I think this would be a better test?
-Thomas |
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vintagecarleds Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:04 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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Erik G wrote: |
LOL - ok. The 944 pics I posted are from a phone |
Okay, so ill just do the below with the same ISO setting.
Stock Sealed beam (What all U.S. Spec VW's came from the factory with)
Hella lens with a H4 Bulb.
Hella Lens with our LED bulb.
Autopal Lens with a H4 bulb.
Autopal Lens with our LED bulb. _________________ www.vintagecarleds.com
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theastronaut Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:11 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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Why not post isocandela plots? Pictures aren't a good way to compare beam patterns and brightness (again, spend some time on candlepowerforums). Plots of Cibie, Hella, and Marchal H4 headlights are already available so you'd be able to directly compare the output of your lights to other well known lights.
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vintagecarleds Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:12 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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theastronaut wrote: |
Why not post isocandela plots? Pictures aren't a good way to compare beam patterns and brightness (again, spend some time on candlepowerforums). Plots of Cibie, Hella, and Marchal H4 headlights are already available so you'd be able to directly compare the output of your lights to other well known lights.
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We actually sent sets for that testing to a user on here who works in that field, i'm still waiting on the PDF file with results from it.
My only thing is most customers wont know how to understand that data.
(thus the beam photos etc)
I do have that data from our old VC2500 model which we discontinued.
Would you like a copy?
Here is the testing rig with controlled voltage output the lab put together for us so they could test it vs. a sealed beam.
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74 Thing Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:28 am Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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The problem I have with a lot of the unapproved LEDs is that they do not have vertical cutoffs and create a lot of glare for other vehicles. I can almost tell right away when someone is running unapproved LEDs at night. |
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Erik G Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: led head light's |
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74 Thing wrote: |
The problem I have with a lot of the unapproved LEDs is that they do not have vertical cutoffs and create a lot of glare for other vehicles. I can almost tell right away when someone is running unapproved LEDs at night. |
absolutely. the cut off is key.
the pics he posted against a wall look good for this. Also the 944 ones I posted, but they are fugly looking units - ok for a 944 where the headlights retract. Not ok for a VW
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