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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys kick ass! Steering column all back together, horn works correctly, steering column sleeve doesn't move around and the base collar (Part 22) is properly indexed. I was trying to install it from the bottom, but it goes in from the top and down.

The turn signal cancel is even properly adjusted! Cool

Can't think of any bus I have ever driven or owned where ALL of this simple shit actually worked as intended. Laughing

Now, about that shifter....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

Anyone know where I can buy the mounting piece thets right below 29 ( the only thing on that page that isn't numbered) for my 69 bus? The bars that hold the nuts broke off on mine Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

Try Ken Masson at Busco
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aeromech wrote:
That's what I'm talking about. Why does Ratwell have the breakdown without the numbers? Usually an IPC shows the diagrams and that's followed by a list of the part numbers.

The Ratwell diagrams are taken from a series of Parts Books put out by VW circa the early 90s which were based on the microfiches. They did not have the part numbers - just the exploded diagrams. Their main benefit was that they showed late Bay parts. The second diagram posted above with the relevant part numbers is from the early Bay Parts Book and only goes up to about '72. Fine if you've got an early Bay but not if you've got a Late as so many parts changed.
You can't beat having the original microfiches (and reader) for Late Bay parts.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

Can someone tell me if the steering column tube can be moved up or down with the steering wheel disconnected and the cover plate removed? I'm halfway though fixing the wire tab on the bottom of the tube. It would be a lot easier to fix if it slid up or down and inch or two.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

the tube will slide in the pod with some effort. you need to make sure you don't rotate it, as the steering lock won't pop into the shaft. there is also a plastic bushing/insulator around the cut out for the steering lock pin. make sure you don't lose it otherwise you may get a beeeeeeeeeeep every time the key is on
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

Thanks skills. Just seeing this now. I'm afraid I twisted it slightly while moving it up. Hopefully I didn't damage anything. I've been twenty minutes trying to get the dam plastic isolator back on. Still don't have it on to my satisfaction. Any tricks with that?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

I install the plastic isolator into the floor plate, then drop the tube into it. you need to squeeze the isolator to fit into the plate. the floor plate has to be 100% STRAIGHT where the bushing snaps into it.

I have seen many where the top of the plate is caved in as if someone pushed the whole thing towards the ground.

hope that makes sense. also, the bushing only goes 1 way...there is a notch for the ground lug on it. it should go towards the nose of the bus
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

Makes perfect sense. I had to step away from it or I was going to do something stupid with a hammer that I'd regret. I think the issue is the plate is bent.

That comes from paint shop pushing the bus around without a dash for 3 months.

I noticed there is play at the top of column by steering wheel. It isn't much but is this normal? I assume there is a bearing in there. Perhaps it's time to remove and service.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

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I noticed there is play at the top of column by steering wheel. It isn't much but is this normal? I assume there is a bearing in there. Perhaps it's time to remove and service.


Without the steering wheel on and the spring under the wheel putting tension on the bearing, the column will normally be a bit loose in the tube.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

Steering wheel is back on. Still got a little more play than before and also noticed the column doesn't seem to be as low as before. I have tried everything to slide it down and it won't move without spinning it and I don't want to do that again as per skills comments. Also noticed the signal cancel is not touching the cancel ring on back of wheel. Horn works though. Pop riveted a new terminal on bottom of column and finally reinstalled the isolator.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:49 am    Post subject: Steering column Assembly T2a Reply with quote

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On mine, Using the parts breakdown on the previous page, I started by threading the horn ground wire through the steering column (#7) & mounted the steering column (#7) to the coupling disc (#2)

Then I assembled the mounting plate (cap, lower (#23)) & grommet (#22) at the bottom, there are alignment tabs in that grommet, two on the OD for the lower cap (#23)
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This needs to be compressed & inserted into (#23) with the slot in the ID for the contact for the wire facing towards the front of the vehicle.

The ID of the grommet (#22) also has a tab to align in the notch in the bottom of the steering tube (#9) (shown without being installed in the lower cap (#23)
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I then slid the lower cap (#23) & grommet (#22) over the column (#7) (with the turn signal switch wiring threaded through it) then slid the lock housing over the column (#7) & threaded the harnesses through the dash & mounted the lock housing to the steering column bracket (#16).

Then I slid the cushion (#26) onto the steering column tube (#9) and attached the insulating washer (#12) onto the column tube with some electrical tape to hold it in place & then slid this over the steering column (#7) & through the lock housing and into the grommet (#22) and attached the horn connection to the terminal on the bottom of the column tube (#9). With that attached, I secured the lower cap (#23) to the floor.

Then, slid the cushion (#26) into the lock housing, inserted the washer (#27) and lock ring (#28 )
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And secured them (these pics are with the old column, I didn't take detailed pics when assembling in my bus.)
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I then installed the insulating washer (#12) onto the lock housing.
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After that, I slid the turn signal housing over the top of the lock housing.
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Before the turn signal switch housing is tightened, this can be adjusted up & down to the bottom of the steering wheel to properly engage the canceling tab (#33) on the steering wheel.
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Since I never removed the bearing (#10) from the column tube (#9), I lubed the bearing & I installed the thrust ring (#36) and the compression spring (#37), installed the steering wheel & adjusted the turn signal switch housing so that the self canceling fingers on the turn signal switch engaged the self cancellation ring (#33).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

Great thread here - just what I was looking for..

Does anyone know how to keep the turn signal switch from being too loose? It appears I have all the parts except #12. No matter how tight I get the screws on the turn signal housing, it doesn't stay in one place and wants to move around. Was thinking about trying to make a plastic shim of sorts to give the turn signal housing more to bite onto..
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

Mine had a piece of cloth electrical tape where the clamp would make contact.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

Ry-dog wrote:
Great thread here - just what I was looking for..

Does anyone know how to keep the turn signal switch from being too loose? It appears I have all the parts except #12. No matter how tight I get the screws on the turn signal housing, it doesn't stay in one place and wants to move around. Was thinking about trying to make a plastic shim of sorts to give the turn signal housing more to bite onto..

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=406853
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

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Ry-dog wrote:
Great thread here - just what I was looking for..

Does anyone know how to keep the turn signal switch from being too loose? It appears I have all the parts except #12. No matter how tight I get the screws on the turn signal housing, it doesn't stay in one place and wants to move around. Was thinking about trying to make a plastic shim of sorts to give the turn signal housing more to bite onto..

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=406853


Thanks for the link busdaddy - good method to tighten up that turn signal switch..
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

What does it mean if there's a little forward and back play in my steering column inside the tube?

I replaced my steering coupler about 1 year ago, and noticed my steering wheel sits about 1/4" higher now. I assumed my new coupler must be a little thicker. I made a plastic spacer out of PVC to move the turn signal switch up a little bit.
The new coupler isn't as rigid as the original one, and I'm guessing it must flex a little when I am turning hard, like parallel parking?
I've also knocked the horn wire off the spade at above the coupler a few times while parallel parking.
The column also moves up and down slightly innthe tube while turning.

Can anyone tell me what I need to do to make my steering column not move in the tube?
Do I need to replace a bearing or bushing?
It's quiet and turns smooth, so I didn't think it was a bearing.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

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Can anyone tell me what I need to do to make my steering column not move in the tube?


With the steering wheel nut tightened down, the entire steering column is one rigid unit, and there is nowhere else for in/out movement to
happen except at the flexible steering coupler. Just replace that floppy thing with a better part if you don't like the movement.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

Ok, but what about the little bit of forward and back?
Does that sound like a bad bushing near the top of the tube?
It doesn't really feel like sloppy play. It more feels like rubber giving a little, but I don't know how much is considered normal.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Steering column parts breakdown Reply with quote

How hard are you pulling/pushing on it? Light pressure shouldn't move it, but if you are yanking on it with your full weight it's bound to flex a little.
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