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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject: H4 headlights with integral parking (running) light Reply with quote

I finally figured out what that extra gray wire into the headlight bucket was for on my Mexican single cab. The truck was built to euro spec, so this is for the integral parking light. We might call this a daytime running light here in the US. US spec buses do not have this feature.

These were also mentioned in this thread from some time ago:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=383293

I am bring this truck back to its original factory spec (front and rear fog lights and all sort of jazz with the Z21 M-code package) and that includes these headlights that have the parking light built in (BusDepot calls these "city lights":

http://www.busdepot.com/hq6014

The trouble I am having is that the headlight buckets, which support the headlights, do not allow for the small running light bulb housing, which is offset to the bottom. The running light bumps into the ring behind the headlight, tapped for the three small retaining ring screws. I imagine that some PO switched out the buckets with US spec buckets when they taped off the running light wires.

I suppose I could modify these buckets by cutting out part of them with a Dremel or something, but I'd rather locate a pair of proper euro-style headlight buckets that can accommodate the running lights.

Anyone ever see these or know where to find them?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: H4 headlights with integral parking (running) light Reply with quote

Couple sets here:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php...ton=Search
Keep in mind they are a 1 peice unit (trim ring/lens/reflector/mount) and use a different bulb (not H4).

Edit: lots of good stuff in this thread as well: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=675861&highlight=
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: H4 headlights with integral parking (running) light Reply with quote

I had done a search in the classifieds. I guess I did not know what to look for, but I think you found it!

And the other thread... Funny that, I had posted there some time back.

So it seems that the answer to my question is that I really need new headlight mounting rings.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: H4 headlights with integral parking (running) light Reply with quote

I've now got some euro-spec H4 headlight assemblies (lens+reflector as a single unit, plus back mounting ring, plus front crome ring) on my desk that I can take a picture of for you, if that helps. Just let me know.

Note that even here in Europe I've never come across folks selling the mounting ring separately, so you might have to buy the full lamp assembly. Sometimes people sell their heavily rusted headlights (mostly the reflector) at a good price, and the mounting ring is still ok.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: H4 headlights with integral parking (running) light Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
Keep in mind they are a 1 peice unit (trim ring/lens/reflector/mount) and use a different bulb (not H4).


Note that the ones I've got can be taken apart as:

- Trim ring (chromed plastic. 1 single mounting screw)
- Lens/reflector (single unit)
- Mount ring (not trivial to take apart, but can be done with some care. Holds mounting and adjusting screws)

This applies to both the R2 and H4 headlight assemblies I've got.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: H4 headlights with integral parking (running) light Reply with quote

furgo wrote:
I've now got some euro-spec H4 headlight assemblies (lens+reflector as a single unit, plus back mounting ring, plus front chrome ring) on my desk that I can take a picture of for you, if that helps. Just let me know.

If you don't mind, yes, that would be helpful. I'm interested to know if there is more than one way to handle the DRL bulb issue. One way is to use the different chrome rings that have the two extra adjustment screws in addition to the one mounting screw that we are all familiar with here.

It seems that your setup may be another way this was done.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: H4 headlights with integral parking (running) light Reply with quote

Here you go:

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The only thing missing is the single-screw plastic chrome trim ring for each unit, as it's on the bus. You see them dismantled as I'm in the process of restoring them. The mount rings were originally zinc-plated, but in the process of removing the rust (citric acid), the little zinc that was left was also removed. You now see them with a coat of primer.

The headlights came from a Golf I, but I believe they are exactly the same ones that were used as an upgrade for European buses. From the outside, they're mostly the same as the also Euro-spec headlights with R2 incandescent lamps the PO replaced the US sealed beams with. The only visible difference is the fact that the lenses from the non-halogen headlights had more of a dome shape. The H4 ones are nearly flat.

I hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: H4 headlights with integral parking (running) light Reply with quote

The Lenses for all British & European specification, 1974~79 VW Type 2 headlamps are all flat, irrespective of whether they have 45/40W glass-envelope bulbs with P45t mounting flanges or 60/55W quartz-halogen bulbs with P43t mounting flanges. It was only the earlier multi-piece, 1968~73 VW Type 2 headlamps, which had the removable convex lenses.

The small 9 mm pilot bulb, is normally rated at 4W or 5W, like side-marker lights and is not bright enough to be a DRL - daytime running light. They are designated as side lights, parking lights or front position lights, which in Great Britain may be used in conjunction with just a matched pair of front fog lights, in fog or falling snow.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:09 am    Post subject: Re: H4 headlights with integral parking (running) light Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, Nigel.

Were these headlights with the integral "parking lights" mounted to the vehicle with the special three-screw trim rings, or with the one-screw ones that we are familiar with here in the US?

If the one-screw rings, how is there room for the offset parking light bulb? Mine bumps into the mounting ring, but there must have been a way...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: H4 headlights with integral parking (running) light Reply with quote

jtauxe wrote:
Thanks for the info, Nigel.

Were these headlights with the integral "parking lights" mounted to the vehicle with the special three-screw trim rings, or with the one-screw ones that we are familiar with here in the US?

If the one-screw rings, how is there room for the offset parking light bulb? Mine bumps into the mounting ring, but there must have been a way...


Those for 1968~73 VW Type 2s had a "trim-ring" with three holes, of which two were for beam-aiming adjustment screws and the third for attachment of the multi-piece attachment to the vehicle.

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Screw A = Horizontal (i.e. lateral) beam-aiming screw
Screw B = Vertical beam-aiming screw
Screw C = Headlamp-unit securing screw

Those for 1979~74 VW Type 2s had a "trim-ring" with only one hole, for attachment of the separate trim-ring to the vehicle. The lamp unit was mounted by means of three L-shaped brackets inside the vehicle-body's lamp housing.

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Right-hand drive, left-dipping, 1974~79 VW Type 2, Hella bulb-type headlamp units, with P45t flanged, 100/80W H4 bulbs, retro-fitted to my British specification, right-hand drive, 1973 VW "1600" Type 2, Westfalia Continental campervan, after welding three DIY-fabricated mounting lugs, into the bodywork's headlamp bucket, to mount the headlamp unit.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=499037

These lugs, supplement the single factory-fitted lug, which is all that is required to mount British & European specification, 1968~73 VW Type 2 headlamp units, with integral trim-ring.

Refer to the following links, for clarification:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=420351

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=420350

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=420349

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=338649
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