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lightice Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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The dusty condition oil bath is really long and the oil sits right at the bottom.
Unlikely any oil would be able to go up that far.
I like that filter, but I run a carb.
They also need the special bracket to hold them, which are getting rare. |
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williamM Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2008 Posts: 4333 Location: southwest Arizona
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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Having several of those 181 filters, I was just concerned about them being "smaller" -as they were designed for the 1600 and I need one for the 2.0-- probably not an issue if you keep it under 70mph- but am looking for some real user input here. Could just put some 1700 heads in there and solve the problem- wonder how that would work?? _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
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lightice Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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There was a version with 2 of those filters.
But the 2 filters were 'handed', and the intake boot is also hard to find, but I guess you can fabricate it up if you do have both filters. |
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williamM Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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like this?[img]
Because these are for a type 1-[/img] _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51145 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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williamM wrote: |
That particular filter fits the 1.6 ltr motor? If they have one for the 2. ltr FI air box, that would be great- |
K&N's website doesn't get along with my computer, but a 73+ Euro 1600 bus uses the same 012 129 620 filter element as type 4 FI buses (73/74 carbed bus with the plastic filter and I think early Vanagon too). _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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busdaddy wrote: |
williamM wrote: |
That particular filter fits the 1.6 ltr motor? If they have one for the 2. ltr FI air box, that would be great- |
K&N's website doesn't get along with my computer, but a 73+ Euro 1600 bus uses the same 012 129 620 filter element as type 4 FI buses (73/74 carbed bus with the plastic filter and I think early Vanagon too). |
It might be the late-1973-model-year or 1974-model-year VW 1600 Type 2 which were the first to be equipped with the paper-element air filter. My British specification, early-1973-model-year VW 1600 Type 2 (late-August or early-September 1972), was equipped with an oil-bath air cleaner and a 38A dynamo. _________________ Regards.
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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NASkeet wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
williamM wrote: |
That particular filter fits the 1.6 ltr motor? If they have one for the 2. ltr FI air box, that would be great- |
K&N's website doesn't get along with my computer, but a 73+ Euro 1600 bus uses the same 012 129 620 filter element as type 4 FI buses (73/74 carbed bus with the plastic filter and I think early Vanagon too). |
It might be the late-1973-model-year or 1974-model-year VW 1600 Type 2 which were the first to be equipped with the paper-element air filter. My British specification, early-1973-model-year VW 1600 Type 2 (late-August or early-September 1972), was equipped with an oil-bath air cleaner and a 38A dynamo. |
Ahhhhh..., OK, good to know, I've never had my head in the compartment of a Euro 73, type 4's went to the plastic filter in 73, my bad. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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lightice Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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williamM wrote: |
like this?[img]
Because these are for a type 1-[/img] |
Hi william, yes but the one on the right is the wrong unit.
The intakes on both the units should face the rear.
These are type 181 filters right?
Bus filters typically look like this, with less 'attachments' at the snorkel intake.
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williamM Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2008 Posts: 4333 Location: southwest Arizona
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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Almost had one of those, but got no reply
That is two 181 filters, so one will need surgery, but that manifold isn't for a T-4 motor.- I'm saving it for a 66 EZ which will be worked on 3rd.
I am planning a small square plate with an inlet welded to it that would bolt to the AFM and a 2" flex tubing would fit over and go to a decent oil bath filter.
I think (there I go again) the 1600 paper filter was a long box with an oblong filter in it.- might have been for a beetle, but side by side looked like a rabbit filter. _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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williamM wrote: |
I think (there I go again) the 1600 paper filter was a long box with an oblong filter in it.- might have been for a beetle, but side by side looked like a rabbit filter. |
Later beetles used a long rectangular filter, the 1600 bus uses the same square filter and mount as our FI versions, but with a different outlet: (click twice to rebigulate)
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williamM Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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One of those from KB with wash n oil replenish would solve the problem. _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
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lightice Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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William, I don't think you should mod it, instead look to swap it. When I was looking for my dusty filter, I had more luck getting as there were more ads for the 'right' version than the 'left'. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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williamM wrote: |
One of those from KB with wash n oil replenish would solve the problem. |
_________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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williamM Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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busdaddy wrote: |
williamM wrote: |
One of those from KB with wash n oil replenish would solve the problem. |
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$60 and never buy a filter again--think we have a winner.---thanks for the link- _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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Noting Photobucket's recent awkward behaviour, the following links might not be as useful as they could be:
Home Forums > Help and Assistance > Bay Tech Clinic > Engine & Transmission > Engine air filters, for very-dusty conditions?
http://forums.kombiclub.com/threads/engine-air-filters-for-very-dusty-conditions.20162/#post-256786
Home Forums > Help and Assistance > Bay Tech Clinic > Engine & Transmission > Engine air filters, for very-dusty conditions?
http://forums.kombiclub.com/threads/air-cleaner-identification.28937/page-2#post-371478
Home Forums > Help and Assistance > Bay Tech Clinic > Engine & Transmission > Stock air cleaner
http://forums.kombiclub.com/threads/stock-air-cleaner.23366/page-2#post-256791 _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
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williamM Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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couldn't get any pics or links to work-- But do agree as I put the stock oil bath little air cleaner on the roof of my kombi when stuck in Katherine and it worked great till the attached inlet on the carb split and sanded the new motor- but thats another story.
I plan a snorkel up the inside of the passenger side to go to either a KD stock filter, or a modified 181 filter.
Agree it's not rocket science to know high and ahead of the rear axle is where the clear air is. _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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I have not quite figured out how to search for them yet. But Google Gallery seems to have the pictures.
Tcash
Filter-Mate air pre-cleaner naskeet, search
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1242&bih=602...I4#imgrc=_ |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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FWIW by the time the filter is purchased, the cleaners and oils etc, and the frequency they have to be washed I'll never do it again for any car. I could not notice any extra power and the gauze on the ones I had did not stop as much dust as a stock wix, motorcraft, fram NAPA etc filter.
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Putting a different air filter on T4 Bus. |
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Abscate wrote: |
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I call this one for sig |
You've gotta be a long time Simpsons fan to get that one. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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