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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:08 pm    Post subject: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

I was tightening down my rear axle nut as usual but this time my dad was helping and im not sure what we could have done different but the axles threads seem to now be stripped, any ideas?
I was using a brand new axle nut.
where would I even get a tap and die for this application?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

Personally I would replace axle.... Cleaning up threads and praying may not keep drum and wheel on...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

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Personally I would replace axle.... Cleaning up threads and praying may not keep drum and wheel on...

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thats what I was thinking
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

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Personally I would replace axle....

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Agreed.

Swing or IRS?

A lot easier if IRS.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

Brake drum splines look pretty questionable too....

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
Dale M. wrote:
Personally I would replace axle....

Dale

Agreed.

Swing or IRS?

A lot easier if IRS.

Swing axle
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

I vote new axle and drum. The drum splines look almost non existent?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

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I vote new axle and drum. The drum splines look almost non existent?

the splines are there but not visible in the picture for some reason
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

has this ever happened before? haha
its hardened steel isnt it?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

Well the splines from the backside of the drum look ok. The 2nd picture with the drum still on looked bad...must have been a popsicle illusion
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

This pic tells me you have more problems.... It appears you are running long spline axles and with short spline drums... See hammered (silvery) area???...... Should not look like that... It indicates loose nut on axle....

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Also in pics there is exposed splines on a axles with drums in place, you do have all the correct spacers on axle and spacer between nut and drum???? Please tell me you do!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

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This pic tells me you have more problems.... It appears you are running long spline axles and with short spline drums... See hammered (silvery) area???...... Should not look like that... It indicates loose nut on axle....

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Also in pics there is exposed splines on a axles with drums in place, you do have all the correct spacers on axle and spacer between nut and drum???? Please tell me you do!!!

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yea the car came like that with some spacers to use these drums never thought anything of it as this is my first vw
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

IN image of drum it looks as if spacers were not thick enough as drum was sliding back and forth on axles... Splines on axle and in drum are polished look from movement as if axle nut was not tight... Large axle nut torques to 217 ft-lbs (294.2129 N.m) ... And ADDITIONAL torque to get hole in axle lined up with slots in nut for cotter pin....NOT loosen nut till you get hole and slot aligned for cotter pin...

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Also were you using pneumatic impact to put nuts back on with???... Be cause it was definitely cross threaded and I have serious doubt you are not going to do that much damage with "hand tools"... It should have been easy turning up to point nut contacted spacer and drum...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

Anti seize Works good on threads to keep them from galling like that. Welcome to the world of what the PO did to your bug.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

if it's a lot hp budget bug,I would shorten the spacer so a new nut would grabb all the good splines that are there.then fix/deburr/remove the fucked up threads and install the nut to see how much the spacer needs shortening then shoprten it 1.5 rev less, install the nut, torque and go about your bizness. if it's a high hp bug change the axle.and the drums and all the other dead crap you find on both sides.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

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if it's a lot hp budget bug,I would shorten the spacer so a new nut would grabb all the good splines that are there.then fix/deburr/remove the fucked up threads and install the nut to see how much the spacer needs shortening then shoprten it 1.5 rev less, install the nut, torque and go about your bizness. if it's a high hp bug change the axle.and the drums and all the other dead crap you find on both sides.

thats not a bad idea
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

where should I buy a new axle if all else fails?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

That axle is def toast. Check the other side as well. Motor and trans need pulled to fix it
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped Axle Bolt Reply with quote

cocopuffsman wrote:
where should I buy a new axle if all else fails?

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There are three different axles for a beetle. Short axles, long axles with short splines, and long axles with long splines. The drums and other hardware don't all mix. You need to know what all the parts on the car are (axle tubes, axles, drums, and brakes) before you start buying parts. Not as complicated as it sounds. Post some more pics so we can see what you were supposed to have..
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