Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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NASkeet wrote: |
rubbachicken wrote: |
aeromech wrote: |
Lettuce wrote: |
you guys are worried about fumes entering the bus... there should be no fumes coming from the tank |
Accidents happen. |
people also happen, ignore the cut in the tank, this bay tank had 5 screw holes in it, from a PO who fitted a home made interior, i guess they only had looooong screws
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This picture reminds me of one of my local acquaintances, who installed a second-hand campervan interior into his 1973~79 VW "1700" Type 2 Kombi.
Either through ignorance or stupidity, he ended up drilling five holes in his fuel tank which resulted in a smell of petrol, of which he could not isolate the source, until I starting interrogating him.
Ultimately I supplied him with a second-hand 1974 VW 1800 Type 2 fuel tank I had spare, and took his perforated fuel tank in part exchange, which I later had repair-welded by another of my acquaintances, who many years earlier had repair-welded my corrosion-damaged Triumph Toledo (an amazing car, not sold in North America!) fuel tank. |
Best post in this thread by far....
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dwill49965 Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2005 Posts: 1396 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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A PO of my bus had cut a small rectangular access plate and then sloppily seam sealed the cut out piece back in place. Unfortunately, his hole was off center by a few inches. Several years ago, I enlarged the hole he had made and put in a 6 inch marine bilge pump screw-in access cover. Lots of room to manoeuvre in there now. Now that I think of it, I don't think I've ever had to open it up for any reason since I put it in 9 years ago.
_________________ Darryl
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'78 Westy, Boston Bob built 2.0 L, FI, MSD 6A
Meyer wrote: |
Lastly, you just referred to US citizens as 'Americans'. Exactly what kind of Canadian are you? From what continent? |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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For anyone looking for that door, Beckson is one of the big manufacturers of these. You can get them round square locking latching...etc. _________________ .ssS! |
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BayCreamPuff Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2015 Posts: 769 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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dwill49965 wrote: |
A PO of my bus had cut a small rectangular access plate and then sloppily seam sealed the cut out piece back in place. Unfortunately, his hole was off center by a few inches. Several years ago, I enlarged the hole he had made and put in a 6 inch marine bilge pump screw-in access cover. Lots of room to manoeuvre in there now. Now that I think of it, I don't think I've ever had to open it up for any reason since I put it in 9 years ago.
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What type of saw did you use to make that cut? Any risks of sparks flying? _________________ Cream Puff
'79 CA Stock FI Deluxe Campmobile
Earl Grey
'87 GoWesty 2.2 Westfalia
Marsha Mellow
'00 Eurovan VR6 Full Camper |
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dwill49965 Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2005 Posts: 1396 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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BayCreamPuff wrote: |
What type of saw did you use to make that cut? Any risks of sparks flying? |
I just used a regular jig saw with a fine tooth metal blade. No sparks were generated, or if they were, they were very minimal. _________________ Darryl
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'78 Westy, Boston Bob built 2.0 L, FI, MSD 6A
Meyer wrote: |
Lastly, you just referred to US citizens as 'Americans'. Exactly what kind of Canadian are you? From what continent? |
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Westfalia73 Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2016 Posts: 121 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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I did mine a while back using a Bosch multitool with the half round saw attachment, no sparks at all and nice clean straight cuts, made a small steel frame bent to same shape and riveted that and then drilled and riveted the cut out piece back in.........
_________________ 1973 tintop westfalia weekender.
1973 beetle.
1981 Brazilian baywindow kombi. |
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Balmoral1958 Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 248 Location: Austin
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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Do you have the finished picture? |
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furgo Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2016 Posts: 944 Location: Southern Germany
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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Balmoral1958 wrote: |
Do you have the finished picture? |
I was just going to ask the same question
I'd be interested to see how you fabricated the steel frame, as it was something that I was actually considering myself.
I want to fix the bit of a hack that the PO did with cutting the hole (starting with doing it a few inches off to the right of the sender), but only if I can do it cleanly. _________________ '79 Westy, P22 interior, FI 2.0 l Federal, GE engine (hydraulic lifters)
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Terminatez Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2015 Posts: 340 Location: Sun Valley, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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At this rate, we should all chip in on a bus for the sole purpose of being able to cut the metal piece off as a cover for a perfect fit. _________________ 1972 Westfalia P30 hardtop Campmobile [On-going Restoration]
aeromech wrote: |
I don't think I've ever seen an engine in worse shape. |
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Westfalia73 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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furgo wrote: |
Balmoral1958 wrote: |
Do you have the finished picture? |
I was just going to ask the same question
I'd be interested to see how you fabricated the steel frame, as it was something that I was actually considering myself.
I want to fix the bit of a hack that the PO did with cutting the hole (starting with doing it a few inches off to the right of the sender), but only if I can do it cleanly. |
As requested gents.........
I used some sheet steel to knock up a nice small frame to sit under the hole....
I then put it in the hole and drilled and riveted it into place....
I then attached my cut out piece to the frame and drilled and used small self tappers, picture taken before I painted the screws and rivets so it does look better than this currently....
I'm sure the purists will say I did a shit job but I'm happy with it. _________________ 1973 tintop westfalia weekender.
1973 beetle.
1981 Brazilian baywindow kombi. |
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furgo Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:13 am Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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Thanks so much for following up with the pictures! _________________ '79 Westy, P22 interior, FI 2.0 l Federal, GE engine (hydraulic lifters)
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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For the spark concious
Just putting a box fan under the car will blow in enough air to get below the explosive limit while you cut. This won't help if you cut into the tank but that's a Darlose event _________________ .ssS! |
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Balmoral1958 Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 248 Location: Austin
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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Could you give the position of the hole please.
Seen numerous diagrams but yours looks like its in the perfect position.
Thanks again for the pictures! |
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Balmoral1958 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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OK - so I have decided not to cut the access hole.
Firewall is out. Tight but managed to get it out.
Question- can I just pull the tank out enough to get to the sender?
I'm replacing all the rubber hoses and vent pieces as well.
Hope the made in Denmark sender will last as long as the original.. |
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mainstreetprod Samba Member
Joined: March 09, 2017 Posts: 313 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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Abscate wrote: |
For the spark concious
Just putting a box fan under the car will blow in enough air to get below the explosive limit while you cut. This won't help if you cut into the tank but that's a Darlose event |
Another thing for the spark concious- a little cutting oil on your saw blade takes care of that concern. I used a 4 1/4" hole saw from harbor freight, cut like butter. |
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calsurfnative Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2014 Posts: 161 Location: Lancaster ca
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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Just cut it ...so what !!!>>>just make a corrugated patch with a gasket or RTV 30 minutes its done.You should have the carpet over it anyways. |
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samwise Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2010 Posts: 611 Location: North Salt Lake, Utah
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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Balmoral1958 wrote: |
OK - so I have decided not to cut the access hole.
Firewall is out. Tight but managed to get it out.
Question- can I just pull the tank out enough to get to the sender?
I'm replacing all the rubber hoses and vent pieces as well.
Hope the made in Denmark sender will last as long as the original.. |
You can just about wiggle the sender in with the tank in-situ - Colin (Amskeptic) managed that on my '79 a couple years ago during one of his itinerant cir-cooled visits. _________________ Ben
1979 7-passenger bus
Harvee the Wonder Bus' pics |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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samwise wrote: |
You can just about wiggle the sender in with the tank in-situ - Colin (Amskeptic) managed that on my '79 a couple years ago during one of his itinerant cir-cooled visits. |
Agreed. With the right size large channel locks, removal is pretty easy. Installation is a bit tricky when it comes time to compress the new gasket and twist the sender fella locked position. On BigEmma last year we had to get the tank out to RnR the sender it was stuck in so tight. It made replacing all the 7mm vent lines a little easier anyway. Don’t break the tank straps; don’t skimp on the lube!
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
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samwise Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2010 Posts: 611 Location: North Salt Lake, Utah
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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asiab3 wrote: |
...don’t skimp on the lube!
Robbie |
A fine sentiment... _________________ Ben
1979 7-passenger bus
Harvee the Wonder Bus' pics |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16886 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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here is the best way to do a late bus
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8598245#8598245
this one had the stupid factory cover, that was poorly done. there is no way I would waste a day messing around with this. at this stage in the game with all the fine aftermarket junk, this makes it a 2 minute affair.
I think when done neatly it is an ok thing to do. same with the late filler elbow....which are now made of tissue paper and last a year if you're lucky _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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