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Whoo!
BIG Day!! 
Started out with a quiet mock-up session in the morning..
Not easy to get the pan flipped over, by just manhandling it, when the sub and all is bolted on.
The cart tries to scoot away, while the pan pushes instead of flipping..
Had my oldest help me, but he was in bare feet, and Sketchy Sketchy..!
Need to use my brain vs. back.. 
Mount bar works..
Who can spot the Thing That Sucks in the above pic?
Oh yeah! 944 arms have a smaller hole at the arm pivot!
Bug bushings won't fit..! 
What with driving bearings in for no reason,
And arms not even located for reals,
I just kind of eyeballed the mock-up - just to see if the axles were copacetic.
Looks "about" right at mid travel (shortest point).
Full Droop looks OK, far as I can tell.
I just blew off the whole wheel/spacer mock-up..
Why waste the time?
Fuggit.
We'll sort it all out when the chassis goes together for real.
Yes, Nate, we are making it all far too nice..
Sanding up under things that will never even be seen! 
Another whole day of my life..
Finally used my brain a bit to remove the bracket and sub..
Here we have the come-alongs from the hoist on the sub shock towers,
And a ratcheting tie-down over a rafter to hold up the pan..
Makes it easy to dis-assemble the sub stuff when it just hangs..
Reminds me of working on V8s back in the old days.
Anyone else work on a motor dangling from a cherry-picker?
After getting it on the cart, right-side up,
Flipping it starts with one side being hooked and lifted.
WAY easier than struggling freestyle.
After flippage,
A big cleanup session ensued..
Ready for final sanding underneath.
Broke out the table saw,
And canted the head over to rip a coupla pieces of wood.
Needed to make sanding blocks to fit the seams in the pan..
But that's all tomorrow...
I'm BEAT!
Sanding Metal-2-Metal all day..
If the Type 3 gods smile upon me tomorrow,
I'll have the bottom of that pan smmmoooooth and ready for..
POW! 
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Flailing Flogging! |
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Whoo!
BIG Day!!
Started out with a quiet mock-up session in the morning..
Not easy to get the pan flipped over, by just manhandling it, when the sub and all is bolted on.
The cart tries to scoot away, while the pan pushes instead of flipping..
Had my oldest help me, but he was in bare feet, and Sketchy Sketchy..!
Need to use my brain vs. back..
Mount bar works..
Who can spot the Thing That Sucks in the above pic?
Oh yeah! 944 arms have a smaller hole at the arm pivot!
Bug bushings won't fit..!
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Are those sleeves inside the arms where the bushings go? Or are they the remains of the old bushings that were never knocked out?
Just asking, as the "inner" ring looks tack welded in place. Well that and I've never messed with those bushings.
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Clatter
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:55 pm Post subject: Pan Flattening |
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First thing this AM,
The Samba comradery shines through.
User 'Fastbackdavid' shows his solution already worked out for this one:
This guy right here has it all figured out,
I'm just trying to keep up..
Turning down a beetle pivot bolt,
That makes good sense.
Here on the home front, the wife/kids were out of state all day.
First thing, I'm groaning, grinding into action..
With everything cleaned, set, and ready, excuses are hard to find.
Some 80-grit sanding, and the real story starts to show itself.
Yes, those metal spots are high spots,
And the filler spots are low, and then some.
Remember, this set of pans was installed twice.. 
See also above the high spot caused by the "X"-bracing on the lid;
The two ribs stamped in there cause a high spot,
The small black dots are hammer work to lower said high spot.
Used all kinds of different tools today..
My long-shank rotary files were useful in the straight die-grinder.
Cylinder and pointed grinding stones got used in the right-angler and the straight one, too.
See the little balls of bird-turd ready to be ground away?
Where to stop?!?!
Where the bottom of the kick-panel hits the pan was all wonky.
Heat meltage and waviness - twice.
Hammer/dolly work with home-made square stock dolly.
Cleaning up some Brent Welds from long ago.
A Navy shipyard welder might be a bit heavy on the bead,
But,
You can bet it ain't coming loose anytime soon. 
Big grinding wheel with thin blade,
Then Dremel with cut-off wheel, followed by pointed stone, followed by flap-wheel.
First 80-grit, then once it seems close, some 180.
Then you can lay down coat #2 of pookie; this time closer by far to final shape.
On the right - Coat #2.
On the left - Coat #1.
Left side - Coat #2.
Right side - Coat #1.
Dang dented ribs ended up giving me fits..
Getting the first coat down involved all of the grinding and hammer/dolly etc.
Once the second goes on, it should need nothing else besides sanding,
Or maybe another coat?
Bottom left quarter - Coat #2 with spreader.
Top two quarters - what I ended up doing; actually spreading into this groove with my (gloved) finger.
It just ended up being shaped so nothing quite worked better than the old 'caulking finger' dig?
Lower right quarter - Coat#1.
So there you have it.
Almost 12 hours straight of pan flattening.
Was hoping to get it ready for powder today,
But,
Um,
Er,
Looks like another day? (Tuesday?) before it will be actually ready.
At least it's all now in Coat #2.
Such are things like this..
Where to stop?
There is no real perfect.
We'll stop after one more day,
And that's it.
Plus,
I'm thinking semi-gloss for the pan here.
It's definitely going to be too crooked to look good glossy.
Ugh... Trying to not think I'm crazy for doing this.. Life is short.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Flailing Flogging! |
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| Clatter wrote: |
Whoo!
BIG Day!!
Started out with a quiet mock-up session in the morning..
Not easy to get the pan flipped over, by just manhandling it, when the sub and all is bolted on.
The cart tries to scoot away, while the pan pushes instead of flipping..
Had my oldest help me, but he was in bare feet, and Sketchy Sketchy..!
Need to use my brain vs. back..
Mount bar works..
Who can spot the Thing That Sucks in the above pic?
Oh yeah! 944 arms have a smaller hole at the arm pivot!
Bug bushings won't fit..!
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Are those sleeves inside the arms where the bushings go? Or are they the remains of the old bushings that were never knocked out?
Just asking, as the "inner" ring looks tack welded in place. Well that and I've never messed with those bushings. |
Bob is right, the old cups are still in your arms. Knock them out with a drift and the new ones will fit.
Also, Fastbackdavid's install would be incorrect for the steel arms, the big washers both go on the same side. I'm not sure if this is the case for the aluminum arms though.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Flailing Flogging! |
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| Clatter wrote: |
Whoo!
BIG Day!!
Started out with a quiet mock-up session in the morning..
Not easy to get the pan flipped over, by just manhandling it, when the sub and all is bolted on.
The cart tries to scoot away, while the pan pushes instead of flipping..
Had my oldest help me, but he was in bare feet, and Sketchy Sketchy..!
Need to use my brain vs. back..
Mount bar works..
Who can spot the Thing That Sucks in the above pic?
Oh yeah! 944 arms have a smaller hole at the arm pivot!
Bug bushings won't fit..!
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Are those sleeves inside the arms where the bushings go? Or are they the remains of the old bushings that were never knocked out?
Just asking, as the "inner" ring looks tack welded in place. Well that and I've never messed with those bushings. |
Bob is right, the old cups are still in your arms. Knock them out with a drift and the new ones will fit.
Also, Fastbackdavid's install would be incorrect for the steel arms, the big washers both go on the same side. I'm not sure if this is the case for the aluminum arms though.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Pan Flattening |
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| Clatter wrote: |
First thing this AM,
The Samba comradery shines through.
User 'Fastbackdavid' shows his solution already worked out for this one:
This guy right here has it all figured out,
I'm just trying to keep up..
Turning down a beetle pivot bolt,
That makes good sense.
Here on the home front, the wife/kids were out of state all day.
First thing, I'm groaning, grinding into action..
With everything cleaned, set, and ready, excuses are hard to find.
Some 80-grit sanding, and the real story starts to show itself.
Yes, those metal spots are high spots,
And the filler spots are low, and then some.
Remember, this set of pans was installed twice..
See also above the high spot caused by the "X"-bracing on the lid;
The two ribs stamped in there cause a high spot,
The small black dots are hammer work to lower said high spot.
Used all kinds of different tools today..
My long-shank rotary files were useful in the straight die-grinder.
Cylinder and pointed grinding stones got used in the right-angler and the straight one, too.
See the little balls of bird-turd ready to be ground away?
Where to stop?!?!
Where the bottom of the kick-panel hits the pan was all wonky.
Heat meltage and waviness - twice.
Hammer/dolly work with home-made square stock dolly.
Cleaning up some Brent Welds from long ago.
A Navy shipyard welder might be a bit heavy on the bead,
But,
You can bet it ain't coming loose anytime soon.
Big grinding wheel with thin blade,
Then Dremel with cut-off wheel, followed by pointed stone, followed by flap-wheel.
First 80-grit, then once it seems close, some 180.
Then you can lay down coat #2 of pookie; this time closer by far to final shape.
On the right - Coat #2.
On the left - Coat #1.
Left side - Coat #2.
Right side - Coat #1.
Dang dented ribs ended up giving me fits..
Getting the first coat down involved all of the grinding and hammer/dolly etc.
Once the second goes on, it should need nothing else besides sanding,
Or maybe another coat?
Bottom left quarter - Coat #2 with spreader.
Top two quarters - what I ended up doing; actually spreading into this groove with my (gloved) finger.
It just ended up being shaped so nothing quite worked better than the old 'caulking finger' dig?
Lower right quarter - Coat#1.
So there you have it.
Almost 12 hours straight of pan flattening.
Was hoping to get it ready for powder today,
But,
Um,
Er,
Looks like another day? (Tuesday?) before it will be actually ready.
At least it's all now in Coat #2.
Such are things like this..
Where to stop?
There is no real perfect.
We'll stop after one more day,
And that's it.
Plus,
I'm thinking semi-gloss for the pan here.
It's definitely going to be too crooked to look good glossy.
Ugh... Trying to not think I'm crazy for doing this.. Life is short. |
Steve, do you have space cleared out in your living room for this car (kind of like Bert)? Just asking, as the first time someone steps into the car (puts their feet on the floor) it's going to get bent (and possibly crack the filler and powder coat). Seems like a lot of work for nothing or that anyone will ever see. I'm sure the firs couple of kicked up rocks (from actually driving it) will give you a hear attack. 
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Flailing Flogging! |
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| Brent wrote: |
| Bobnotch wrote: |
| Clatter wrote: |
Whoo!
BIG Day!!
Started out with a quiet mock-up session in the morning..
Not easy to get the pan flipped over, by just manhandling it, when the sub and all is bolted on.
The cart tries to scoot away, while the pan pushes instead of flipping..
Had my oldest help me, but he was in bare feet, and Sketchy Sketchy..!
Need to use my brain vs. back..
Mount bar works..
Who can spot the Thing That Sucks in the above pic?
Oh yeah! 944 arms have a smaller hole at the arm pivot!
Bug bushings won't fit..!
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Are those sleeves inside the arms where the bushings go? Or are they the remains of the old bushings that were never knocked out?
Just asking, as the "inner" ring looks tack welded in place. Well that and I've never messed with those bushings. |
Bob is right, the old cups are still in your arms. Knock them out with a drift and the new ones will fit.
Also, Fastbackdavid's install would be incorrect for the steel arms, the big washers both go on the same side. I'm not sure if this is the case for the aluminum arms though. |
Thanks Brent, I wasn't sure if that's what I was seeing or not.
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Clatter
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:17 pm Post subject: No Work, No Wife, No Kids |
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Aaahhh, Batchelorhood...
Time to live the dream!
First golden rays of morning sunshine,
Falling upon a very most obvious part of the pan,
That will never be truly straight..
(Or even close)
You guys are so much smarter than I am.
Man, I can be a bitch sometimes, eh?
Slap me and call me Sally!
I gots to find out what the semi-gloss powder at Brooke's these days looks like,
And what grits to sand to, to bury scratches.
Here is a little experiment:
Lower sled tins here are going to get semi-gloss black.
The ribs on top won't be seen,
So one rib gets just pookie, the second sanded to 80, and the third to 220.
There were some feather-edges on each to see how they look.
Want to test/see this once before committing..
See,
This could all be a BIG shit-show if it comes out crappy.
Here I'm all doing an experiment on this pan that took years!  
Also stopped by Ian's, and he was actually working on my shit!
Hard labor for an old man; stay in school, kids!
They call him The Badger, and he was in form today..
Formulating the formula for tools to make it happen.
Polishing those wheels is a bitch, make no doubt.
Also went by the painter to get the pic I missed last time.
Nothing is done yet.
Let's hope it's not sitting here just like this in six months!
It's only been a week. I think I can chill out.
Or at least try.
If I can.. 
That was a couple hours of errands.
The other 9-10-ish hours were spend doing things like this:
The front gave me fits, it got coats five and six, eventually.
This part shows, so...
One part that doesn't show, actually could, if you really were looking.
The patch piece I made for to cap the original shift rod entrance:
It was a bit lumpy, and you could see my repairs, so..
^^Notice the great restraint!!^^
The wrinkles at the sides of the reinforcing ribs;
The ones along the edges..
they were left as-is, because they are OG.
Hackery/Fuckery from my Butchery will be fixed,
But the OG factory flaws can stay.
Have to draw the line somewhere... Er, Right?
Got the whole pan through the second coat at least today.
Just a few small finicky spots left, no more hammer/dolly/grinding.
Likely just sanding, even; pretty sure no more mud to be mixed.
Depending upon the experiment at Brooke's,
I might have it ready for transport after tomorrow,
To be delivered Thursday.
Leaving town for a few days Friday,
And don't want the pan sitting in bare metal for days.
So there's a deadline here, thank God.
Well there we have it, another huge day! 
Gotta feed the pig!
Quoth John Jones - "Do Work Son!"
Time is money!
P.S.
Powder coat doesn't chip near as easy as paint..  
It also never cracks, nor does Metal-2-Metal.
Semi-gloss will hide flaws, and be easy to clean.
But,
Yeah,
This whole "sanding the pan" thing is really pretty stupid.
The REALLY stupid thing will be if all repair mud is super obvious once coated.
If it comes out of the oven with the patch-work showing through like a sore thumb,
Or worse, reacting/lifting/bubbling/crazing...
The car will hopefully be shown a couple of times.
The Bug-O is likely to be dead/gone before the car is done. 
A friend has a puller and flat-bed, and I can maybe tow it to the Classic before it's driven much? 
Not really sure I want to do that,
I remember being there with Brent's car, and nobody even noticed it was there.
Surely my car would be the same, it would just disappear without any bling-bling/wooka-wooka to catch a trick's eye..
Always wanted a car show trophy; Not really sure why.
After that, it will get driven, in the rain, etc.
That Oval and that Bus you see in the background were nice once, too.
Bet it will be fun to drive...
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:14 am Post subject: Re: No Work, No Wife, No Kids |
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| Clatter wrote: |
You guys are so much smarter than I am.
Man, I can be a bitch sometimes, eh?
Slap me and call me Sally!
P.S.
Powder coat doesn't chip near as easy as paint..
It also never cracks, nor does Metal-2-Metal.
But,
Yeah,
This whole "sanding the pan" thing is really pretty stupid.
Bet it will be fun to drive... |
WOW, I was right about the sleeves of the old bushings.
Who told you that metal-2-metal never cracks?? Whoever they were lied to you. It does crack, and I've seen it crack. I've also seen it separate from steel from being flexed.
As for powder coat, I've also seen it come of in sheets or large sections due to not having a "tooth" for it to bite into (similar to the metal-2-metal action).
But yes, it should be fun to drive.
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Clatter
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Never Ever.. NO Way possible... Ever Never Ever..
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Looking good. 
As Bobnotch says metal to metal will crack and I have been witness to it.
All that work and no shine make it shine, make it shine.
Cheers
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EVER Never Never Ever...
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The final push day...
Six hours after work yesterday - until midnight.
First off, at lunchtime, I snuck over to Brooke's.
Semi-gloss is actually kinda shiny..?
What you can't see here, is the 80-grit scratches showing through on the middle rib.
In the right light, it's especially obvious.
Have to get to 180 or 220 to hide them all.
So that's what I did..
How you like the shine?
220 really polishes up bare metal.
Gotta make sure it cracks and falls off in nice big, even sheets!
Figured out a way to hoist it up on top of the car myself with no (little?) damage.
Today at lunch i'll sneak over, load it, and deliver to Brooke.
It's waiting, wrapped against the damp, for my mission today.
Hasn't cracked yet!
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Full gloss always looks better than semi-gloss. Satin finish? 
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I find the best base for powder is media blasting, no scratches to fill.
I'm a fan of the eastwood hot rod black textured powder.
but if you're going glossy and want hiding capabilities why not black base, with a layer of black flake in the clear and a coat of clear powder on top
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:37 pm Post subject: Done! |
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What's done is done.
Snuck over at lunchtime,
My partner in crime Nick helped me load/deliver/unload.
(Too big of a hurry - forgot to take pics).
Semi-gloss black;
Should be picking it up next Wednesday..
I'm just happy it's not sitting here needing any more sanding.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Just think... when you get it back you'll be able to assemble!
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Hallelujah!
That's what I'm thinking..
Actually assembling something seems like this far-off dream.
It's been years..
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Hope you are surfing today and not sanding.
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The final push day...
Six hours after work yesterday - until midnight.
First off, at lunchtime, I snuck over to Brooke's.
Semi-gloss is actually kinda shiny..?
What you can't see here, is the 80-grit scratches showing through on the middle rib.
In the right light, it's especially obvious.
Have to get to 180 or 220 to hide them all.
So that's what I did..
How you like the shine?
220 really polishes up bare metal.
Gotta make sure it cracks and falls off in nice big, even sheets!
Figured out a way to hoist it up on top of the car myself with no (little?) damage.
Today at lunch i'll sneak over, load it, and deliver to Brooke.
It's waiting, wrapped against the damp, for my mission today.
Hasn't cracked yet!
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You know, I'm kind of surprised you didn't add some caster to the frame head while you had it apart. That's the best time to do it. I mean you are planning on lowering it aren't you? Or is it going to have the 4 X 4 look like Brian Fye's Squareback?
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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