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campism
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You might find a set of tubing wrenches handy when working on fluid fittings. They look like box ends with a slot cut in the box. Harbor Freight has them so cheap I also bought the non-metric set.
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Timwhy
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Sodo
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:31 am Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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Original German Technology. Imagine that!
Can anyone get the russian text translated? Maybe it says decals applied to item produced in China.
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Timwhy
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Sodo
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:35 am Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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All I care about is the quality and China's certainly capable of producing top-quality. I'd like to see one up close.
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gvisconty
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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| gratefulbuses wrote: |
Now on to researching how to remove and install my new PS rack! Anybody have any information, links, tips, videos, etc.?
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I just did this last weekend. I bought a rebuilt rack from here
http://www.buyautoparts.com/buynow/1987/Volkswagen/Vanagon/Power_Steering_Rack/80-00538_R
Rebuilt with a 3 year warranty, it was identical to the one I pulled out (same part #).
It came with the tie rods. I disconnected the tie rod ends from the hubs, disconnected the fluid lines (which will be terribly messy no matter how careful you are, be prepared for that), loosened the coupler to the steering shaft (at the rack end), removed the 4 mounting bolts, then slid the rack out to the right. I had the van on jack stands and the suspension at full droop, and even then it was a frustrating puzzle to get it out (syncro, not sure if that matters) Once out, swap the tie rod ends onto the new rack (or use new ones if you're unsure, they are cheap). Pull the adaptors for the fluid lines from the old rack and put them onto the new rack, and then reverse the process to get it back together. Bleed the system like the Bently says to.
In retrospect;
- turn the wheels so that they are as perfectly straight forward as possible and secure the steering wheel in place so it can't move.
- count or measure the threads on the tie rod so that you make sure that the tie rod ends go back to the same position on the new rack as they were on the old rack
- it might be easier to remove the steering shaft between the rack and the coupler disk completely rather than try to wiggle the rack out and in with the shaft in place.
- it might be easier to pull the rack out to the left, maybe?
- center the new steering rack before installing it
I did measure the threads on my tie rod ends but I did not bother trying to keep the steering wheel in place nor did I center the new steering rack ahead of time. I had to reattach everything, find the center by turning the wheel lock to lock then 1/2 way back, then disconnect the steering shaft, center the steering wheel, then reconnect the steering shaft without disturbing the wheel nor the rack position. PITA and I think I got lucky.
My suspicion is the toe will be a little off no matter how perfect you are putting your tie rod ends back on, there must be enough variation between the old and new rack and tie rods. I recently had an alignment so I know it was spot on, but I haven't taken it back to get it checked again so I won't for sure until I do. |
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Vanagon Nut
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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| Timwhy wrote: |
Could not see a country of origin stamped on the rack but this is the sticker that was on the box that the rat came in.
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Not saying this is the same thing but here's the sticker from a new manual rack I purchased from CIP (and returned) several years ago.
I'm sure JP Group is a big company. Parts they sell could be made almost anywhere I guess.
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Jake de Villiers
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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| Vanagon Nut wrote: |
| Timwhy wrote: |
Could not see a country of origin stamped on the rack but this is the sticker that was on the box that the rat came in.
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Not saying this is the same thing but here's the sticker from a new manual rack I purchased from CIP (and returned) several years ago.
I'm sure JP Group is a big company. Parts they sell could be made almost anywhere I guess.
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Thanks, Neil! I think that "China" marking is what we were looking for...
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Sodo
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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| gvisconty wrote: |
| I recently had an alignment so I know it was spot on, but I haven't taken it back to get it checked again so I won't for sure until I do. |
Dang. Shoulda measured the toe before taking it apart. Toe is easy to set. That would have been a very useful number for reassembly (and to know and to post!). Maybe someone else knows it for the Vanagon. I've always used 1/16" to 1/8" toe-in, on any car I've shade-tree aligned and it's always worked fine, drives fine, no funny tire wear. Set it at zero, then 3/16, and you'll see, 1/16-1/8 is the sweet spot.
My van was recently aligned (all four wheels, 2 months ago) by an alignment shop and it drives perfect. I'll measure the toe they set, and post.
Wondering if it's gonna be 1/16" to 1/8"? 
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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JP group is not known for producing the best stuff, but they do loads of parts!
When I swap out a ZF (VW) rack, if the tie rods are good, I unscrew at the rack.
If the new JP group racks have the exact same dimensions, you don't need to measure anything if you keep your old tie rods, adjust the steering wheel straight after a short drive around the block. Much easier than trying to align the splines under the van at the coupler
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tech032
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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Anything Danske, is pretty much Chinese. I bought a non power rack from Van cafe, along with brake press regulator..all Chinese. Its all that is available for my van. Maval is Ok, the very best rebuilds are ZF if you can find one. |
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Guybrush
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:53 am Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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| ZF is the original maker. Depends on which company does the rebuild. I have a ZF rack in my Volvo from A1 Cardone. It took about 2 years (of very moderate driving) for it to leak as badly as the previous one. |
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HENDO
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:43 am Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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I installed one I got from Gowesty a couple of years ago. I just had to replace it a couple months ago.
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: *New* Power steering rack as sold by CIP1 and GoWesty |
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I'd rather rebuild it than put on some crap copies or cheap rebuilds. Original ones lasted 30 years, what the heck??
Buy good quality seal kits, if the rack is not pitted, it will last a very long time
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