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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:55 am Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Suboval wrote: |
Suboval wrote: |
It's a KSR reproduction. |
Scuff, bury in dirt. Instant patina. |
You seem mighty sure of yourself based on 3 not so great pictures.
Since we are offering our opinions on this, I have seem a lot of fake patina and it is always easy to spot. If this is fake patina then this is the most convincing example I have every seen. I might be convinced otherwise if I had better pictures or saw it in person but it looks like genuine patina to me. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Zwitterkafer Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2007 Posts: 879 Location: Lanark County, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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I dunno, but what about the rest of the car? IMO the car looks fake patina, with decklid, apron etc. added to match the look. The easiest way to complete such a car would be to source a KSR lid, but of course anything is possible. 3 of the hinge screws are missing the patina, so the lid could be a recent transplant instead of a long standing one. _________________ "Criticism comes easier than Craftsmanship"
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BUCIOBATISTI Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2002 Posts: 6956 Location: San Diego, California, USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Zwitterkafer wrote: |
I dunno, but what about the rest of the car? IMO the car looks fake patina, with decklid, apron etc. added to match the look. The easiest way to complete such a car would be to source a KSR lid, but of course anything is possible. 3 of the hinge screws are missing the patina, so the lid could be a recent transplant instead of a long standing one. |
The patina on the outside is far less convincing than the patina on the inside.
The multiple layers of paint, flaking around the edges, natural-looking surface rusting in believable places, and the oxidation on the inside are pretty convincing to me.
Seeing it in the flesh would certainly help but if somebody faked it, it seems as though they really did their homework, and went through a great deal of effort to make it convincing.
If somebody has that skill, they are wasting their time with VW's, and should be working on the restoration work on the Sistine Chapel ceiling! _________________ Please check us out on Instagram at @holygrailgarage
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Suboval Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2003 Posts: 794
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Keep in mind that the KSR decklids came out over nine years ago. _________________ It all works on paper.
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1.) History repeats itself.
2.) We don't learn from history. |
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theastronaut Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2007 Posts: 1631 Location: Anderson, SC
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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BUCIOBATISTI wrote: |
If that's a fake decklid with fake patina, I'd like to meet the sorcerer who did it so incredibly convincingly. |
I've done it on a bed sill for my dad's '66 C10 using a kit from Hobby Lobby.
But to blow your mind, Street Machinery in Ohio has a guy that does next level fake patina.
Before:
After.
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otahuhu Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2007 Posts: 561
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Does the ksr decklid have the tab below the triangle big-spring bracket? Looks like the one in your link doesn't... had look here but couldn't see any inside pics. |
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TinCanFab Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 2743 Location: Waterford, California
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Suboval wrote: |
Suboval wrote: |
It's a KSR reproduction. |
Scuff, bury in dirt. Instant patina. |
You cannot just scuff the EDP coating off of these decklids. It doesn't dissolve with acetone or thinner. I wanted to be sure mine was EDP, and it is. This lid would have to have been 100% media blasted. It's coated to prevent rust like most modern car replacement panels. It's not that cheap packing "primer" that you see on Empi exhausts.
Also, the upper body lines are a lot closer to stock than the KSR lid which has gaps to be modified. It took several hours to modify mine, and I wouldn't throw fake patina after all that work. And then, throw a VW logo pope nose and L handle on it. The whole "fake" scenario is possible, but highly unlikely.
Blasting, metal work, hard to find parts thrown on, multiple colors? That IS sorcery to pull off a fake. Then, not even finish the job with a big spring properly attached to a later oval? It just seems like the wrong decklid slapped on many years ago by accident. If not, I'm impressed. _________________ Check out my truck brought back from the dead... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=420762&highlight=sprayed+blood
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TinCanFab Samba Member
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17290 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Absolutely, definitely NOT a KSR lid. This lid's genuine.
There is a certain flaw present in all Karmann W lids that KSR either didn't notice, or decided not to replicate. This lid has the flaw. _________________
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Keith Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 3634 Location: Brodheadsville, PA
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Bruce wrote: |
Absolutely, definitely NOT a KSR lid. This lid's genuine.
There is a certain flaw present in all Karmann W lids that KSR either didn't notice, or decided not to replicate. This lid has the flaw. |
What would that flaw be? _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
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Suboval Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2003 Posts: 794
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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roachdub58 wrote: |
I'm not a decklid expert, but for the PO to hopefully get it right, here's some pics of my later lid. Still, real or not, the repro is $600 with no handle or light housing.
Look at the drain tube, in other threads, they say that is the giveaway |
Could you please post a picture of both rain guards in one picture, similar to the one above? _________________ It all works on paper.
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Clint Deason1 Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2003 Posts: 11
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Here are a couple pictures of the rain guards.
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Mr. OGPaint Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2010 Posts: 823 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Definitely an original decklid _________________ https://instagram.com/mr.ogpaint
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Suboval Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Roachdub58 can you please post a picture of your decklid like this one?
_________________ It all works on paper.
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TinCanFab Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 2743 Location: Waterford, California
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Brezelmeister Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2017 Posts: 61 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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It is an original cabrio engine lid, no doubt about that. |
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TinCanFab Samba Member
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Mr. OGPaint Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2010 Posts: 823 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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The difference between the black reproduction lid and the OG lid is really obvious when you look at the oval shaped stamping to either side of the spring perch. _________________ https://instagram.com/mr.ogpaint
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Suboval Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:06 am Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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Mr. OGPaint wrote: |
The difference between the black reproduction lid and the OG lid is really obvious when you look at the oval shaped stamping to either side of the spring perch. |
Thank you for pointing out to look for! _________________ It all works on paper.
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1.) History repeats itself.
2.) We don't learn from history. |
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9916 Location: idaho
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Is this a split window convertible decklid? |
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I think I might have figured out the super secret flaw. The repro decklid has tabs on the top inside panel (to hold the license plate wire in place?) but the original does not. _________________ .
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