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Tkisner Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:43 am Post subject: Motor wants too much advance |
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I have decided to bring my 75 Westy to a bus guru because it has never run right. So this question is purely because I am pretty confused, and would like some help wrapping my head around what may be happening.
It is a later hydraulic lifer 2.0, progressive carb (will be changed to duals), SVDA. The bus was running hot under conditions I would not consider extreme. Highway driving going 50-55 mostly flat. I pulled the plugs it was detonating slightly (light gray color). I fattened up the idle and basically idled home in 4th gear and the motor ran cool.
I also checked the timing when I checked the plugs. With vacuum hose plugged at 7-8 btdc the engine ran ok. It occasionally backfired out the exhaust. However, if I advanced it to say 12-14 it ran much much smoother and picked up idle RPM. At 28* max advance same thing happened. The motor smoothed out in the 32-34* range. Everyone says that is too much for a bus so I wanted to ask why this motor runs better with a setting that most deem harmful?
Like I said earlier I am going to have a pro get all of this squared away. I also have a wideband o2 that I bought for a different project that I am going to put in so I can keep better track of my AFR. Any input would be appreciated. |
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3551 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Motor wants too much advance |
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The first thing to do is to verify that the timing scale is accurate. Seems that scales vary - either made wrong (aftermarket), bent, or something. Basically, you need to check that TDC is really TDC. _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
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Tkisner Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Motor wants too much advance |
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telford dorr wrote: |
The first thing to do is to verify that the timing scale is accurate. Seems that scales vary - either made wrong (aftermarket), bent, or something. Basically, you need to check that TDC is really TDC. |
I did not think about that potentially being a problem. Thanks for the insight. |
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Tom Powell Samba Member
Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Motor wants too much advance |
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ACVW engines are detuned for longevity. It's a touring vehicle not a dragster that gets a few miles out of a well tuned engine. Keep it cool and you'll keep it long.
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Motor wants too much advance |
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Is your 28° max advance with the vacuum hose on or off? It should be hose off… 35°-40° hose ON is not out of the question on a Type 4 engine.
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Motor wants too much advance |
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You should also elaborate on your distributor, SVDA covers a wide range of good German as well as shitty Chinese dostributors. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Motor wants too much advance |
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Let's see a picture of your vacuum hose relationship on the Progressive carburetor to the vacuum can on your distributor. |
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Tkisner Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Motor wants too much advance |
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asiab3 wrote: |
Is your 28° max advance with the vacuum hose on or off? It should be hose off… 35°-40° hose ON is not out of the question on a Type 4 engine.
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28* is max with vacuum hose plugged.
Wasted youth wrote: |
Let's see a picture of your vacuum hose relationship on the Progressive carburetor to the vacuum can on your distributor.
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The timing shield is plastic. I feel as though that probably does not bode well for quality.
I haven't been able to do anything with the bus. I came home from a weekend trip to find my daily driver with a fully flat tire and major gas tank leak. |
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