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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

panel wrote:
What size is the rad and is it a 2 core ?


The rad is 14x18" 2 core rad. I have done a few different configurations w/ fans and scoops. Pictured was the first fan I used on this new rad. 8" Mishimoto.
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Lets just say hello 220! Now the day I tested it was 95 degs and I may not have gotten all the air out completely. I've made that a pusher, no go. puller, no go. I've added a scoop for both tries. I've ran w/ the scoop. I've put a 14" in the engine bay. I have put a 14" fan on the the rad acted as a puller and a pusher w/ and w/o the scoop. The 8" fan is about 900 and change cfm's and the 14" fans have 1,460 cfms. May need a stronger fan or just kick myself in the balls for putting a VR6 in a slammed bus Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Maybe you need 2 ?

Could/can you couple/daisy chain 2 of them together using some of those silicone hoses?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Been wondering how your bus was doing...

For what it is worth that new rad looks small. I run a much larger rad and two fans. Perhaps that might help with the cooling challenges.

Being lowered I assume has an impact on the amount of airflow under the bus. My bus is lowered 2.5 inches and I have no overheating issues. I will say on hot days that I'm on the fans more than I'd like but that is the price you have to pay.

My next rad upgrade will be similar to the one that Skills is using.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:45 am    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

panel wrote:
Maybe you need 2 ?

Could/can you couple/daisy chain 2 of them together using some of those silicone hoses?


you need to be careful here...I did try that and the issue is the pump has too much head to overcome and it takes a lot of pump to move coolant thru 2 radiators.

his only way out that I can see is a custom radiator, and possibly the addition of an external water pump.

what is base temp in a stock VR6 car? you need to figure that out and select your cooling strategy based on that. and, you need to read ALL DATA via the ECU and what the ECT says...not an aftermarket gauge.

what so many guys fail to realize is the factory ECU is the benchmark in accuracy. unless you are going to gear up with quality diagnostic equipment you will just be pissing in the wind.

another thing is his gearing. stock 091 gearing is NOT conducive to that VR6...so when he's doing 60 at 3200 rpm's in a VR6 car that's like driving 40 in 3rd.

there is so much more than "stuffing an engine in" to these conversions most are willing to admit. it's all in the combo, period.

pretty confident I can get it to cool Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Sloride wrote:

My next rad upgrade will be similar to the one that Skills is using


Skills ? Care to share dimensions or if it's a dual core etc ?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Was running a hair under 210. It's all about trial and error lol Im confident I will get it cool someday. Getting closer and closer.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

A year later still going. Think I may have found my cooling issue.
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. Replaced it w/ the high flow schimmel performance water pump.
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definitely made a difference. Stayed pinned at 195 degrees. I like that!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Excellent. Way to go.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Got around to my fuel cell finally. No more stock mk3 tank. Jaz fuel cell is a go.
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gotta cut down the filler neck and I'm done w/ that.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Got out to 2 shows w/ the bus. I really wish I would have taken it out to mk1 madness but there's always next year!
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Good times.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Bansheelos wrote:
A year later still going. Think I may have found my cooling issue.
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. Replaced it w/ the high flow schimmel performance water pump.
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definitely made a difference. Stayed pinned at 195 degrees. I like that!
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That'll do it, your conversion made replacing the water pump the easiest job EVER.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

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That'll do it, your conversion made replacing the water pump the easiest job EVER.[/quote]
Yeah, the water pump is easy as hell to get to! Now the thermostat, that's a totally different story! That's a pain to get to!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Since you have given your bus the name BUSTDBVR, I thought you'd appreciate this...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

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Since you have given your bus the name BUSTDBVR, I thought you'd appreciate this...

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That's awesome!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

I've got a bunch more, check out...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

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I've got a bunch more, check out...
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I have a picture me in my mk3 and it's a rolling shot and it has a good sign in it too. When I find it I will post it!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

When things are looking on the up and up.
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Then you take a step back and a new design is up to bat b/c the vision was there but the output fell a little short. Gonna have to add a side filler neck.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Been working on the 3rd row bench/storage chest. Coming along!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Mockup of what it will look like done!
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Getting there! Just gotta pull the cover tight, screw the top to the piano hinge and bolt the bench to the body to finish the bench then onto the throttle cable!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 1978 Champagne Bus VR swap aka BUSTDBVR Reply with quote

Only short people can sit in the 3rd row lol bolt her down and she's done!!! Thank god!
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