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wesitarz
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 Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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Youtube has videos on engine removal (and harness maybe as well).If the timing belt hasn't been done at 100,000mi,then you should do it with a water pump as well.(youTube videos as well).You will need a 95 ECU pinout to do your harness. Decide what vendor's parts you will use.Decide on your coolant layout. Search the files at subaruvanagon,build sites and builds documented on theSamba.Use Google search ie. VW vanagon _________.
Good luck.
http://subaruvanagon.com/tom/ts_conversion.htm
http://www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/
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Brent Weide has a section on engine prep. In add'n to the timing belt/WP, a few other things: coolant temp sensor,PCV,plug wires,test ignition coil, test resistance on cam/crank sensors, cam seals,reverse coolant manifold?,shortened oil pan,aftermarket oil pressure/coolant temp sensors? |
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jeffsab
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Location: Portland, OR
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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jocoman
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Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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Question. When looking for a donor car is it important what transmission it has?
My '86 vanagon is a stick, so should I be looking for a manual transmission Legacy model?
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bobbyblack 
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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| jocoman wrote: |
| Question. When looking for a donor car is it important what transmission it has? |
Only thing I have seen is that stick Subaru have this little arc lip over top of crank timing sprocket. Boxer Mic calls it a "bump guard" in his video. It is available from dealer apparently tho, so no real worries. Otherwise stuff is virtually the same, as far as a conversion goes.
The kit you get, regardless of from who, will be specific to your setup, I.E. if yours is a manny, you get the manny kit.
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Ives676
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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I would recommend removing the wiring harness first. Then modify the harness and reconnect the modified harness to the donor Subaru. This will tell you everything is working before pulling the motor. It could save you some time and effort in troubleshooting.
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jeffsab
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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| I would recommend removing the wiring harness first. Then modify the harness and reconnect the modified harness to the donor Subaru. This will tell you everything is working before pulling the motor. It could save you some time and effort in troubleshooting. |
Not sure how that would work. Have you done this? |
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nacradriver
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Location: Ventura, CA
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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| Ives676 wrote: |
| I would recommend removing the wiring harness first. Then modify the harness and reconnect the modified harness to the donor Subaru. This will tell you everything is working before pulling the motor. It could save you some time and effort in troubleshooting. |
Not sure how that would work. Have you done this? |
Would be easier to have Jeff do your harness then going this route...
He will test the harness before sending it back to you... and stands behind his work... He did mine and supplied detailed instruction on the hook up.... van started right up.....
http://www.autoventuresllc.net/
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Ives676
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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| jeffsab wrote: |
| Ives676 wrote: |
| I would recommend removing the wiring harness first. Then modify the harness and reconnect the modified harness to the donor Subaru. This will tell you everything is working before pulling the motor. It could save you some time and effort in troubleshooting. |
Not sure how that would work. Have you done this? |
Would be easier to have Jeff do your harness then going this route...
He will test the harness before sending it back to you... and stands behind his work... He did mine and supplied detailed instruction on the hook up.... van started right up.....
http://www.autoventuresllc.net/ |
Yes pull the harness. Don't pull the motor. Send the harness to Jeff or modify it yourself. When he sends the tested harness back to you hook up all the connections to the motor to test all systems functioning. I haven't personally done this but I have seen others suggesting this as one way to eliminate any possible wiring harness issues. The test motor Jeff is using isn't your motor. It isn't adding any work to the process for you. Maybe a time delay while you wait on the harness to be completed.
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Ives676
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
the harness is en route to jeff. will be working on the next steps coming up soon. my usual SOP is get the harness back and test run the engine in the donor. I hate trying to start a new engine without knowing that I have eliminated any issues. jeffs harness work is rock solid, so I am not too worried, but like any chef will tell you, when you tweek the recipe the outcome could be a mess
more to come.... |
From this thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...mp;start=0
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jeffsab
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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| nacradriver wrote: |
Would be easier to have Jeff do your harness then going this route...
He will test the harness before sending it back to you... and stands behind his work... He did mine and supplied detailed instruction on the hook up.... van started right up.....
http://www.autoventuresllc.net/ |
Already in touch with him. Even though I am in no hurry... |
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bobbyblack
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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I've been thinking about the remove harness first, modify, then test on engine left installed just mentioned. Yes yes yes. However, now no, as mine came out already.
Next thought was that I have the donor, the transmission is only a few bolts and nuts away from being free of the car. Anyone know of a thread with good/bad ideas of how to use the tranny for a test bed? Seems like a bit of angle iron or such could be used to rig up a decent holder to get it to run prior to dismantling the WBX harness, etc. from the Van. It'd be a bit of peace of mind, to say the least.
Ideas? Pictures? I know the guy in Wisconsin just has a few complete Subaru's sitting in his yard for such tests... I don't feel ready to get that involved, yet I think the bits and pieces of the one I do have could be mighty useful.
I do see the value of having someone else do the harness, or at least just send it out for a test good/bad prior. Im just too cheap to have it fully done rather than try it myself.
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jeffsab
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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So plans have changed, in a big way.
Short story is that I moved to Portland, OR. Without time to do the conversion beforehand, I sold the Legacy wagon, drove the Vanagon out here, and am now looking to buy another Subaru. Problem is, there are not so many rusty cars with low mileage engines out here. So I'm considering all my options on acquiring a donor engine and harness.
One immediate question is whether I am going to run into problems if I get an automatic Subaru when I have a manual Vanagon? I had thought I read somewhere that you want the same style transmission from your donor. Obviously, if I can expand my search to automatics, there are a lot more potential cars to choose from. |
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chompy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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It doesnt matter if its an auto or manual. You ground out one of the wires on the ecu to switch it to manual.
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dgbeatty
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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| You did good. 1995 and 96 up to December 31, 95 are perfect choices. OBDII but only required to be OBDI certified. Slip in the 97 heads and cams and you are golden. Improved low end torque and lower internal friction. The 97 intake manifold improves low end torque, but some California referees can spot the different appearance. |
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wesitarz
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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| jeffsab wrote: |
So plans have changed, in a big way.
Short story is that I moved to Portland, OR. Without time to do the conversion beforehand, I sold the Legacy wagon, drove the Vanagon out here, and am now looking to buy another Subaru. Problem is, there are not so many rusty cars with low mileage engines out here. So I'm considering all my options on acquiring a donor engine and harness.
One immediate question is whether I am going to run into problems if I get an automatic Subaru when I have a manual Vanagon? I had thought I read somewhere that you want the same style transmission from your donor. Obviously, if I can expand my search to automatics, there are a lot more potential cars to choose from. |
http://www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/ has link to John Lemley for good engines and other links in your area. |
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Jake de Villiers
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jeffsab
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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Hey, thanks for the tip on John Lemley. I'm going to inquire with him. It sure would be nice not to have to pull the engine and harness in my tiny new driveway. My neighbors would certainly appreciate it!
I've been looking at Craigslist since I got out here. Kind of shocked how many 200k-mile Subarus are being called "low miles" and how much people expect to sell a 20-year-old car for. Hey, it's a "great car, just has a blown head gasket and rod knock" for only $2500! My midwestern sensibility says I'd be better off buying a $200 car from a Copart auction. |
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h00drat
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wesitarz
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Eric_Taylor
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru 2.2 conversion, here I come (just bought a 95 Legacy) |
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I just saw this on Portland craigslist today. Lots of body damage in the rear, so perfect donor. I wonder what they would actually sell it for? $1500? it is a 2.5, so maybe that's not what your after.
https://bend.craigslist.org/cto/d/1998-subaru-outback-limited/6342416661.html |
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