china steel...japan steel....whoose best....

[67ctbug]

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[williamM]

I smell a 9/11 bad steel/ the towers shouldn't have come down conspiracy in the works here-
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[ach60]

I live in the SF Bay area in California for the last 33 years, and I don't really leave the area that often.
So I'm not used to seeing rusty cars, so when I see one it usually kind of shocks me.
I think "I thought cars didn't rust out anymore",
but really it's just that the weather is so nice here that cars don't rot away before your eyes.
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[EverettB]

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[williamM]

[mark tucker]

rotted or rusted out steel has nothing to do with any of the scam. this is highend steel that has a real job to do, not just a box to keep rain out. lesser that is whats needed in this type of steel can be catastrophic... or shortened life cycles.if your in a plane and the shaft holding the engine togeather or in the plane has a 40 expectancy and at 20 years it fails while your in it over the pacific ocean...on your way to Hawaii for vacation .does it matter that your car is rusting out from the steel not being prepped properly before painting? how about pulling out in traffic infront of a big truck and the trans input shaft twist in two so your just sitten there....and the truck's break peddell is also made from the japan affected steel:? hmm whats that smell???kinda smells like poop and it's spread all over the highway.

[EverettB]

[ach60]

I found steel data on line
China makes 74594 Thousand Tonnes of steel monthly, compared to the US which makes 7064 Thousand Tonnes of steel monthly.
In 1967 US made 115.0 million metric tons of steel annually, and in 2016 US made 78.6 million metric tons of steel annually.
I think falsely certified steel has nothing to do with rusting,
so who's steel is rotting out in the driveway didn't mater so much as the processing it received after it was formed into floor pans, quarter panels, or frame rails.
But did you know, in the 70's if you shut off the lights in your garage, you could actually hear your Karmann Ghia rusting?
https://www.google.com/search?q=cars+that+rust+rea...mp;bih=829
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[Jon Schmid]

Well that explains the amount of rust on my Geo Prizm (Toyota Corolla clone). It was built with Japanese steel, and assembled in California.
It also explains the rear quarter rust, and a section of body mount rust on my 99 Honda Accord that was built in Japan.

Never confuse the quality of the basis metal with how well the car manufacturer decided to protect it from the elements. I work in the military aerospace industry and the "preference for domestic specialty metals" clause is a big deal. But if the anti corrosion finish on the metal is shit, it doesn't matter if it came from Pittsburgh or Shanghai.

[mark tucker]

[mark tucker]

now it seems nissan has big problems....they shut down the japan plants, due to...bubba on the street hired to do QC on the cars......well possibly not bubba, but unqualified people at 4 of there 6 plants...that they know of... whats this world coming to my bug is a transformer, japan is screwed,north korea cant sell uniform's to China&India. and my wife is flying to socal next Tuesday......for a week!! Ill bet she dont even bring me back any burritos...or parts.

[skills@eurocarsplus]

back in the mid 70's there was a steel issue that hit almost every auto manufacturer. I think it was called "green steel" (I am sure you can google the issue)

anyway, the article went on to say how bad the steel was and cars just evaporated...this is why you kind of don't see many 73/4-79 cars that much...like Vega's the rotted on the lot, or Dashers, early Rabbits etc...it had something to do with the nickel content as I recall.

some of the only made it if they were in the southwest their whole life. here in New England almost everything looks like a bag of smashed chips in a few years. jap stuff typically doesn't last more than 10 years here before the creepin krusties send it off to the smelter

I actually can see it on early bay's vs late bays. the late ones tend to rot way worse than the early ones did, in very odd places compared to their older brothers.

ahh, round eye you want some high quarity chinesium?
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[mark tucker]

I think thats when they were going to thinner steel and cheeper steel and the paint & process was changing too. they tried galvinizing but the paint didt stick to it, they tried all kinds of stuff that didnt work. chrysler has speclkel issues and they found it was the employees deodorant causing the issues....I dont think any car manufacture these days lets their employees wear deodorant when there in that area of the factory's.

[ROCKOROD71]

[busdaddy]

I have noticed more rust in stranger places on 74+ VW's, could be metal, could be paint process, not sure.
Most Japanese brake rotors changed around 1979/80, suddenly they wore unevenly and warped for no particular reason, can't blame any paint process on that. Rumor was they switched to recycled steel opposed to virgin alloys but who really knows?
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[wcfvw69]

I lived in the S. California area in the 70's and 80's 60 miles inland. I remember all kinds of Japanese cars rusting from the inside out on these California cars. Some blamed poor preventative coatings during body assembly/paint. If I remember correctly, they didn't dip the bodies in primer or rust preventer but rather, sprayed inside where they could reach.
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