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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

Amskeptic wrote:
...strangely, the ambulance fans in Chloe are quite civilized at both speeds.

Balance is critical.
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I was expecting them to be significantly louder. Slow speed was plenty to keep my carcass cool on Railroad Ave. I didn't even feel the need to try them on high speed. She pretty much sold me on them that day. Razz

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

We bought a P21 new in 1974 that came standard with the fresh air fans. The noise was acceptable then and while the mists of time may have clouded my memory somewhat, the ones in my 79 do not seem to be any noisier.

I have driven air cooled vw's continuously since the late 60's. They all are noisy in one way or another compared to most any other vehicle.

Oh and we still have the first new one we ever bought and the fresh air fan in it is not exactly quiet either. The trade off is acceptable for me. So be it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

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Fans in action...not loud at all, definitely a new favorite with the ba6 too Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

mnskmobi wrote:
For those who haven't experienced the sound of the fresh air fans (courtesy Ratwell):

http://www.ratwell.com/technical/EngineSounds/FreshAirFans.mp3


With the computer speaker turned up to full volume, that fan recording sounds relatively quiet and a doubt that one would even hear it above road noise.

I'm so looking forward to trying mine out! Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

I can't here mine above 30mph but my exhaust has a bit of a leak Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

Here's a topic thread you might want to investigate:

Buzzing/Whirring fresh/hot air fans

http://forums.kombiclub.com/showthread.php?t=20193
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

chimneyfish wrote:
Plenty of pictures of the factory drilled hole here:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?...t_dir=DESC


All those pictures show the early-model fans. These are mine:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


This is the dashboard-mounted, double-throw, rotary switch (VW Part No. 211 959 511 A) associated with the pair of two-speed, intra-duct ventilation fans (VW Part No. 211 959 113 E) which fit inside the 1968~79 VW Type 2, ventilation ducts, behind the inspection covers, beneath the dashboard, in the cab.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


1968~72 VW Type 2, dashboard, twin ventilation control-lever assembly, substituted in place of the single ventilation control-lever assembly, in my British specification, 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 campervan. This allows me to independently control the opening, of the left-hand and right-hand, ventilation flaps.

Also shown, are two white nylon spacers, with ¼ inch ground terminal, on the dashboard, ventilation control-lever, spindle bracket, which fits behind the instrument panel. These provide the ground, for my intra-duct ventilation fans, so the fans will only operate, when the front ventilation flaps are open.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Shown at the bottom of the picture are views from both sides, of a white nylon spacer, with riveted brass, ¼ inch (i.e. 6·3 mm) blade, ground terminal (i.e. earth terminal), found on the dashboard, control-lever, spindle bracket, which fits behind the instrument panel. This provides the switch-current ground, for the relay of the stock, factory-fitted, heater-booster fan (located in the engine compartment), of the 1972~79 VW 17/18/2000 Type 2. It acts as the fan switch, when the flaps on the exhaust heat exchangers are opened.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


This type of spacer, is NOT found on the 1968~79 VW 1600 Type 2, but can be retro-fitted, if desired, as I have done, on my 1973 VW 1600 Type 2; both for my retro-fitted heater booster fan and the intra-duct, ventilation booster fans.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

Where can you find the riveted brass nylon spacers with the ground tabs. I need to repair my heater controls but can't find any parts places that carry these.

Thanks!

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chimneyfish wrote:
Plenty of pictures of the factory drilled hole here:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?...t_dir=DESC


All those pictures show the early-model fans. These are mine:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


This is the dashboard-mounted, double-throw, rotary switch (VW Part No. 211 959 511 A) associated with the pair of two-speed, intra-duct ventilation fans (VW Part No. 211 959 113 E) which fit inside the 1968~79 VW Type 2, ventilation ducts, behind the inspection covers, beneath the dashboard, in the cab.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


1968~72 VW Type 2, dashboard, twin ventilation control-lever assembly, substituted in place of the single ventilation control-lever assembly, in my British specification, 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 campervan. This allows me to independently control the opening, of the left-hand and right-hand, ventilation flaps.

Also shown, are two white nylon spacers, with ¼ inch ground terminal, on the dashboard, ventilation control-lever, spindle bracket, which fits behind the instrument panel. These provide the ground, for my intra-duct ventilation fans, so the fans will only operate, when the front ventilation flaps are open.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Shown at the bottom of the picture are views from both sides, of a white nylon spacer, with riveted brass, ¼ inch (i.e. 6·3 mm) blade, ground terminal (i.e. earth terminal), found on the dashboard, control-lever, spindle bracket, which fits behind the instrument panel. This provides the switch-current ground, for the relay of the stock, factory-fitted, heater-booster fan (located in the engine compartment), of the 1972~79 VW 17/18/2000 Type 2. It acts as the fan switch, when the flaps on the exhaust heat exchangers are opened.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


This type of spacer, is NOT found on the 1968~79 VW 1600 Type 2, but can be retro-fitted, if desired, as I have done, on my 1973 VW 1600 Type 2; both for my retro-fitted heater booster fan and the intra-duct, ventilation booster fans.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

nosler4 wrote:
Where can you find the riveted brass nylon spacers with the ground tabs. I need to repair my heater controls but can't find any parts places that carry these.

Thanks!

Welcome.
Those aren't available new, but every bus made from 72 - 79 has some, search the classifieds using keywords like "parting" and ask the sellers if they have a set of levers, they don't often fail and like aren't a hot seller.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
nosler4 wrote:
Where can you find the riveted brass nylon spacers with the ground tabs. I need to repair my heater controls but can't find any parts places that carry these.

Thanks!

Welcome.
Those aren't available new, but every bus made from 72 - 79 has some, search the classifieds using keywords like "parting" and ask the sellers if they have a set of levers, they don't often fail and like aren't a hot seller.


1972~79 VW 1600 Type 2s DO NOT have them, which is why I had to track down three examples of the relatively rare (in the Great Britain) 1972~79 VW 17/18/2000 Type 2s, in order to upgrade my 1973 VW 1600 Type 2.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=292936

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=292934

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=292786

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

You could buy mine with the fans if you wanted nosler
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

If I am not mistaken the round cylinder on the early ones is metal. On the later ones it was plastic. I would imagine the difference in noise between the two would be signifagant. Adding a couple small pieces of sound deadener in that tube should greatly diffuse the nasty vibration resonance that most are experiencing. I don't know if they have sealed bearings but cleaning them and lubing them would also greatly help matters. Most are probably full of crud coming through the ducts.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

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busdaddy wrote:
nosler4 wrote:
Where can you find the riveted brass nylon spacers with the ground tabs. I need to repair my heater controls but can't find any parts places that carry these.

Thanks!

Welcome.
Those aren't available new, but every bus made from 72 - 79 has some, search the classifieds using keywords like "parting" and ask the sellers if they have a set of levers, they don't often fail and like aren't a hot seller.


1972~79 VW 1600 Type 2s DO NOT have them, which is why I had to track down three examples of the relatively rare (in the Great Britain) 1972~79 VW 17/18/2000 Type 2s, in order to upgrade my 1973 VW 1600 Type 2.

Ahh yes, you are correct, I was thinking locally not globally, there would be no need for the switches on a bus without a booster fan or BA-6 heater.

Let me rephrase by saying "on any US or Canada spec bus from 72- 79" Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

So, has anyone looked into a modern replacement fan, that might be more efficient (with 40+ years of possible design improvements? Laughing )

I suppose that we'd need the OD of the unit, it's depth, and the current draw.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: Q and A..."Ambulance fan" and lights... Reply with quote

there is a thread round these parts where someone used a boat bilge blower....(fan for engine compartment to blow out explosive fumes before starting the boat)
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