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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:26 pm    Post subject: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

I just finished a top end rebuild and added dual ICT carbs to my 72 SP.

She was running pretty well but not as good as I liked so I started tinkering and checking everything. On a whim, I replaced the SVDA with a different SVDA and then with a crappy old Bosch 009 and now it runs like a champ!

Is a mech advance distributor the best option for a (my) dual carb set up?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

I'm no expert. But since your set up is no longer stock and it runs like a champ. Keep using it. What's the details on your timing?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

I'm no expert either. I did run a SVDa with my ict's and it worked well.
I'm still not sure the vacuum port on those carbs is correct for the svda.
It ran well so I left it alone. I never tried an 009 on those.
Bocsh 034 distributor, I have never tried any newer aftermarket distributors.

On the Kadrons I have now, which are similar to the ICT in my opinion, I have run a 034, an 019, and a 009, all German made, I can't tell any difference between any of them. I run the 019 because its oldest, cast iron, made in 1960 something or other.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

I run the 009 at 28 degrees max.

I don't have an OE 034. I have a couple knockoffs. One of those worked flawlessly when I was running the 34 pict 3.

I really question whether the vacuum signal is SVDA correct with the ICT setup. I mean it worked.... but it clearly runs better with the 009. If this continues after I play with it some more.....I may just get a 010 or 019 and call it good.

That 009 I'm using has got about a million miles on it and is really loose.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

Buy one from Glenn if you go that route.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

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Thanks.... he's already contacted me via PM.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

Mike W how are you timing the SVDA? Try your 28 max with the vacuum line disconnected and see if that works.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

cletus_zuber wrote:
Mike W how are you timing the SVDA? Try your 28 max with the vacuum line disconnected and see if that works.


I was thinking that I would try exactly that tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes. Honestly, I can't remember how I timed it when I hooked it up. Maybe I didn't do a max 28* to 32*??? My Pertronix Coil is on back order so I was running the Pertronix SVDA with a blue coil....might be part of the equation.

If the Pertronix SVDA works well, I'll save up for a Bosch 034 and call it good. If not, I'll probably go with a 019.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

Another thing.....

I only hooked up the vacuum line to one carb and plugged the other. Wonder what using a "t" in the line would do as far as vacuum strength?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

The SVDA vacuum can's require lots of vacuum. They usually start to pull around 140MM HG and reach full advance around 200-230MM HG. So, you have to tap into a strong vacuum signal to achieve this much vacuum.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

You can pull vacuum from both sides and it may be what is needed for your SVDA. I am pulling vacuum from all four cylinders on my Type 4 engine with dual 40DCNFs in order to use my SVDA and it runs great.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

Timed the SVDA to 28 all in and it's running great. And cooler.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

mikewilkinson007 wrote:
Timed the SVDA to 28 all in and it's running great. And cooler.


Very nice, Now when you need a rebuilt SVDA you can buy one from Bill (wcfvw69) Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Mechanical Advance for Dual Weber ICT? Reply with quote

Very nice, Now when you need a rebuilt SVDA you can buy one from Bill (wcfvw69) Wink

Yeah. I'm already in touch with him. He's been very helpful.
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