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Zeitgeist 13
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 Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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Observation from the snarky speculation deck:
Dude was probably stopping to take a selfie.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
Observation from the snarky speculation deck:
Dude was probably stopping to take a selfie. |
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IdahoDoug
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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Parking brake story time. 1976 Capri II V6 4 sp. Bridge over interstate, 3am summer of 1980. Jumped out to pee left car idling w brake on n drivers door open. Standing in front of car about 20 feet. Half done notice headlights moving. No time to quit or pack, broke into a dead run. Made it around the door n dove in, yanking the parking brake as i fell onto it. Ribs hurt for a week but otherwise unscathed. Car was worth it - Google this pretty rare car n see if you agree with my 19 year old judgement call...
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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1966...drove from Buffalo to Allegheny State Park with parking brake on. Got to park with no brakes. Drove back with no brakes after a week of debauchery
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Jake de Villiers
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
Observation from the snarky speculation deck:
Dude was probably stopping to take a selfie. |
Don't think so. His Facebook photo shows him to be a serious landscape photographer.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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| Brings to mind the scene from "The Gods Must Be Crazy" where Andrew Steyn is trying to keep his brakeless Land Rover from rolling away while he opens a gate. |
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jackbombay
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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| Wildthings wrote: |
| Brings to mind the scene from "The Gods Must Be Crazy" where Andrew Steyn is trying to keep his brakeless Land Rover from rolling away while he opens a gate. |
Can't turn off the engine either as it was just rebuilt and the compression is too high for the starter to crank it over...
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Abscate
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:18 am Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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Most of Europe is horrified to learn that most Americans don't use their parking brake, due to automatic transmissions ( fail!) and e-brake inop due to non-use.
All my ladies were trained to
Stop car with foot brake.
Apply ebrake
Shift into first ( 5/7 cars) or P ( 2 cars)
Apply hand brake
Release foot brake
The order is important
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:35 am Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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| Abscate wrote: |
Most of Europe is horrified to learn that most Americans don't use their parking brake, due to automatic transmissions ( fail!) and e-brake inop due to non-use.
All my ladies were trained to
Stop car with foot brake.
Apply ebrake
Shift into first ( 5/7 cars) or P ( 2 cars)
Apply hand brake
Release foot brake
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What is the ebrake vs hand brake?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:41 am Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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| dobryan wrote: |
What is the ebrake vs hand brake? |
I don't detect an emergency. Which one is for parking?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:14 am Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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| IdahoDoug wrote: |
| My question is why didn't he just drive it down? Some bent sheetmetal, luggage got rearranged and his ego got bruised. So, pull the plugs/injectors, crank out the oil/gas in the cylinders, restart and head down hill. Unless there's more to it where it slid somewhere with dangerous exposure below, etc. I see about 10 ropes hanging off it - perhaps these were used to attempt to right it, or if exposure to stabilize it till the helicopter arrived...dunno - details? |
The last conjecture was the correct one. It just got steeper below the van and did not let up for a few thousand vertical feet. The extraction crew set those anchors to keep the van from killing them while they prepped the harness for the lift.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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| Sodo wrote: |
| dobryan wrote: |
What is the ebrake vs hand brake? |
I don't detect an emergency. Which one is for parking? |
It comes in handy if you have an emergency whilst parking...
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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Interesting names for the hand-brake! I've only ever heard the terms 'emergency brake' or 'parking brake' in the US - everywhere else I've been it's just 'hand-brake' (or other language translations of that). In the UK (I'm an ex-pat Brit) it's used quite often while driving - sometimes at stop lights and especially for any hill-starts.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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I had a friend who one night on Mulholland drive out in the middle of nowhere (back when there was a nowhere on the road). He stopped to help an old lady whose car broke down and he could not get it going and suggested he push it side to the road.
He started pushing while the lady was looking the other way and the car got away from him and rolled off the road and down a hill.
The lady turned around and said "Where's my car?"
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IdahoDoug
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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OMG. And there are some SERIOUS hills/dropoffs up there. Wow that would suck for both parties - the good samaritan and the driver.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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| fxr wrote: |
| Interesting names for the hand-brake! I've only ever heard the terms 'emergency brake' or 'parking brake' in the US - everywhere else I've been it's just 'hand-brake' (or other language translations of that). In the UK (I'm an ex-pat Brit) it's used quite often while driving - sometimes at stop lights and especially for any hill-starts. |
I suspect that a lot of terms come from the early Ford vehicles with notoriously poor brakes, an engine sitting against the governor, and a bunch of pedals coming up through the floor with mysterious functions. As my father said, when driving a Model T if your speed got out of control you should pushed as many pedals as you could at one time. Low range, brakes, and reverse pedal all did something to slow the car and one wasn't necessarily any better than any other regardless of their name and intended function.
From what I have come to understand, just about any time you needed to apply the brakes on any vehicle with mechanical brakes an emergency existed, hence the term Emergency Brake for your last ditch effort to control your speed before you rammed into the mercantile store at the bottom of the grade. |
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Sodo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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"Emergency" refers to brake system failure due to loss of hydraulic pressure. The emergency brake is a mechanically actuated secondary braking system. It can slow the vehicle, and hold it "parked". In contrast to the "Park" on an auto transmission which can ONLY be used after stopped, like a wheel chock.
I know y'all know this  but just in case.... some kids the Van is their first vehicle that doesn't have "Park" on the gear selector.
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IdahoDoug
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:01 am Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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Certain SAAB models put their emergency/parking brakes on the front wheels, which makes a lot of sense if you're trying to stop the car as quickly as possible in a true emergency. Naturally there are some down sides, but it was way more effective bringing a car down from speed.
I have a habit of using the parking brake once in a while on automatics I've owned just to keep them working. It's a bit of a lost art but I'm happy to see positive comments here about it. About once a year, I'll gently apply them while driving just to knock the dust off the brake shoes. My kids both learned the right way to apply one on a hill in an automatic, which is to come to a stop with the service brakes, apply the parking brake, put it in neutral and let the car "settle" onto the parking brake, then put the car in Park. Now the transmission's parking pawl is not taking the strain and when you leave and pull it out of Park there will not be the bang of taking the strain off things.
Anyhow, good thread.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: When you drive up a mountain and your van breaks down |
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Saab be lucky to moving at all.
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