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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

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Boy, it sure is neat. What to do now?!? Laughing


Drive the heck out of it!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

Cool. I wasn't sure if you had existing holes or not, If you didn't, I figured you wouldn't want to add any. Glad you got it fixed. BTW, isn't that your bay that I see at Home Depot?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

Glad to hear!!!

SamboSamba22 wrote:

Boy, it sure is neat. What to do now?!?


Make a video for us fellow bus nerds perhaps? Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:06 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

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Cool. I wasn't sure if you had existing holes or not, If you didn't, I figured you wouldn't want to add any. Glad you got it fixed. BTW, isn't that your bay that I see at Home Depot?

Indeed it is! The two of us are heading in just a short while for the Black Friday mayhem! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

Pinetops wrote:
Glad to hear!!!

SamboSamba22 wrote:

Boy, it sure is neat. What to do now?!?


Make a video for us fellow bus nerds perhaps? Cool

Short and sweet, dark and discreet, i reached my Thanksgiving goal by officially driving the truck last night.
No headlights, a bad battery, and th discovery of needing to adjust the clutch, i managed to drive it out of the driveway... Laughing
https://youtu.be/UfNVDQ2ExKE

A more official, better video is to be shared soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

SamboSamba22 wrote:
Pinetops wrote:
Glad to hear!!!

SamboSamba22 wrote:

Boy, it sure is neat. What to do now?!?


Make a video for us fellow bus nerds perhaps? Cool

Short and sweet, dark and discreet, i reached my Thanksgiving goal by officially driving the truck last night.
No headlights, a bad battery, and th discovery of needing to adjust the clutch, i managed to drive it out of the driveway... Laughing
https://youtu.be/UfNVDQ2ExKE

A more official, better video is to be shared soon.


Awesome Sam that's bad ass!! Congrats 🎉
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

Skim wrote:
SamboSamba22 wrote:
Pinetops wrote:
Glad to hear!!!

SamboSamba22 wrote:

Boy, it sure is neat. What to do now?!?


Make a video for us fellow bus nerds perhaps? Cool

Short and sweet, dark and discreet, i reached my Thanksgiving goal by officially driving the truck last night.
No headlights, a bad battery, and th discovery of needing to adjust the clutch, i managed to drive it out of the driveway... Laughing
https://youtu.be/UfNVDQ2ExKE

A more official, better video is to be shared soon.


Awesome Sam that's bad ass!! Congrats 🎉


Skim said it. Badassery, Sam! Glad to see your time and effort has got you to this point. Sure it feels good to actual drive it, with or without headlights! Savage.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

Thanks so much you guys for all the good praise and love, it sure has been a journey.
So today was a positive, negative deal. I purchased a new battery, a big group 24 unit, to replace the three year old battery, that is still good and will find itself back in the aux location in the Westy.
The new battery, along with the clutch adjustment allowed me to drive the truck around the neighborhood! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
Unfortunately, I discovered that my passenger rear wheel cylinder is leaking, which is a Varga unit. I can only suspect the rubber components in the unit.

I also discovered that with the new battery, my issue isn’t a battery, but rather a grounding issue. The positive and negative battery cables are both getting hot! No bueno, but I’m having a hell of a time identifying the problem.
It won’t let me turn over the engine, and it’s a bad new battery. It’s like a “crank, craannnnk, ................craaannnnnnkkkkkk....nothing”
Any ideas fellas?
I’m considering removing all wiring from the fuse box and starting over.

NOTE: the generator light is staying on while running, while I’m not getting any oil pressure light indication. Again, no headlights, turn signals, an old crappy turn signal switch, and no head beam switch on the floor.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

SamboSamba22 wrote:
Pinetops wrote:
Glad to hear!!!

SamboSamba22 wrote:

Boy, it sure is neat. What to do now?!?


Make a video for us fellow bus nerds perhaps? Cool

Short and sweet, dark and discreet, i reached my Thanksgiving goal by officially driving the truck last night.
No headlights, a bad battery, and th discovery of needing to adjust the clutch, i managed to drive it out of the driveway... Laughing
https://youtu.be/UfNVDQ2ExKE

A more official, better video is to be shared soon.


Applause
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

Anyone know the size of the two screws holding the wiper motor in place? M7's, M8's?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

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Anyone know the size of the two screws holding the wiper motor in place? M7's, M8's?

Parts book says M6x15
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

Check all your ground straps? add a starter relay?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

Thanks Everett.

The transaxle ground-strap is new. The battery ground cable is new. There is no addition of a starter relay.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

Took to the truck the tools, verifying that indeed the generator isn’t charging the battery. Removed the belt and attempts to polarize the generator proved it isn’t working.
Checked the oil pressure light, it has power on the speedometer, but isn’t grounding through the switch. Bad switch?

With the generator disconnected, and the voltage regulator grounded well, I’m still having issues with the starting problems.
Turning the key, it’s a wonkkkkk, wonk, wonk....nothing. Turn the key off, and try again, i can get it to fire up. Turn it off, and no luck.

In the process of starting the truck the battery cables get hot, though once it is running the cool down and feel normal.

I have quadruple times 10!! Checked connections, i can only think the lack of headlights, dimmer switch, and a good turn signal switch, are causing grounding issues.
Feedback gents?

Found a link of this video stating a starter issue. This is exactly what my starting process sounds like, thoughts??

https://youtu.be/d4bBikcecss
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

I am betting that you have a worn ignition switch/contacts/starter solenoid/antique wiring that are causing a lot of resistance in the starting circuit. A hot start relay would be a temporary (or permanent) fix. A thorough dissection of the starting circuit with new, clean, well connected connections would be the long-term solution.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

cdennisg wrote:
I am betting that you have a worn ignition switch/contacts/starter solenoid/antique wiring that are causing a lot of resistance in the starting circuit. A hot start relay would be a temporary (or permanent) fix. A thorough dissection of the starting circuit with new, clean, well connected connections would be the long-term solution.

Thanks for the feedback Dennis.

Just to note, all of the wiring is new. Complete harness through Wolfsburg West. New battery, cables, voltage regulator, with a used generator. The starter is also a used unit, which seems to only work every 10th time or so. Battery cables only seem to get got when i hold the key down to try and get the motor to turn over.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

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cdennisg wrote:
I am betting that you have a worn ignition switch/contacts/starter solenoid/antique wiring that are causing a lot of resistance in the starting circuit. A hot start relay would be a temporary (or permanent) fix. A thorough dissection of the starting circuit with new, clean, well connected connections would be the long-term solution.

Thanks for the feedback Dennis.

Just to note, all of the wiring is new. Complete harness through Wolfsburg West. New battery, cables, voltage regulator, with a used generator. The starter is also a used unit, which seems to only work every 10th time or so. Battery cables only seem to get got when i hold the key down to try and get the motor to turn over.


What about the ignition switch and starter solenoid? That switch, if original, has many years of use and non-use. It likely needs to be cleaned and inspected and lubed to make it flow current without excessive draw. Same goes for the starter and solenoid.

One thing to understand with old VW's, the current load for the starter travels all the way from the starter, to the switch, through the switch, and back to the starter. That is why the hot start relay was developed. Originally it was common to use a Ford solenoid, but a modern relay works as well, or better, and is more efficient.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

Thank you for all the feedback Dennis.
The ignition switch is new from WW.

Last night I dropped the starter, and pulled the solenoid off, cleaned the internals of the solenoid without tearing it apart, and brushed up all the electrical connections. Regreased the plunger, and tossed it back on. Though I can get the truck to fire up a lot better now, it’s clear the starter is needing replaced. With a good solenoid running near $100, for new brushes and fresh paint, the extra $50 would be worth it to just purchase a whole new unit.

Generator needs to be replaced, voltage regulator is good. As far as doing the conversion from Gen to Alt, is it that much beneficial to do the swap?

Discovered what I initially thought was brake fluid to actually be gear oil, leaking alarmingly from the passenger side reduction box. It’s always something, right?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: River Bank Survivor (59 Single Cab) Reply with quote

How is the starter bushing in the trans? If it is worn out it could cause those symptoms, too.
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