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wcfvw69 
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 Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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| Emeraldlion wrote: |
We need to try to not be so quick to jump on someone because they aren't on your page.
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I don't think anyone was jumping on you at all. I was sharing a counter point, that's all. 
I just get frustrated when people who return to classic VW's and don't know any better, get lured into buying a 'new' (crappy) part based on a shiny ad and cheap price point. They then find it doesn't fit, work or breaks after a short time. This turns them off to our hobby or to these old VW's.
The people who are veteran VW owners know that 99% of the time when people cheap out, they get burned. I'm one who's been burned in the past when buying something based on price or I bought the cheap part because it's the only one reproduced.
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Emeraldlion
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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I agree with you , but find that it happens in any hobby and life in general. I have been burned enough times in essentially everything I have bought that I have learned to go ahead and pay for some things and accept crap in others. Kind of a right of passage we all have to learn. Pay once cry once. However, we all have the few things we are willing to either pay for or pass on. I suppose that is one of the true benefits of the huge variation on the samba that provides the good bad and ugly.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:36 am Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| neil68 wrote: |
If you check other ACVW forums (eg. STF, CLL etc), you will find many who have seen the benefits of using the Type 4 cooler with the Type 1 doghouse fan & shroud.
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Sometimes you have to try it yourself to find out that these old internet myths are just that. Good luck! |
I did try the T4 cooler mod and found it didn't do any better. |
Glenn
Which shroud did you use with the T4 cooler?
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Brian
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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I did the T4 cooler with a late bug fuel injected shroud, the one that comes with the venturi ring. Same as Glenn saying, it's not worth it.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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Very happy with it, fit was good.
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jbbugs
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:55 am Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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I don’t see the ads for these anymore. I had wondered what happened to them.
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Glenn
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:49 am Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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I used one on a engine build.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:07 am Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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Well, if they weren't made in China then, they will be now. |
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Nando_b63
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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| So I believe read that these really didn’t cool as good as the OG, but since GBE sells them , are they good enough? |
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dubman67
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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| Nando_b63 wrote: |
| So I believe read that these really didn’t cool as good as the OG, but since GBE sells them , are they good enough? |
I have a no heat version in my double cab. Last summer, I never saw oil temps above 220. Maybe the shroud helped, maybe not. For a heavy bus going 65 on the interstate, something is working.
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Nando_b63
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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| dubman67 wrote: |
| Nando_b63 wrote: |
| So I believe read that these really didn’t cool as good as the OG, but since GBE sells them , are they good enough? |
I have a no heat version in my double cab. Last summer, I never saw oil temps above 220. Maybe the shroud helped, maybe not. For a heavy bus going 65 on the interstate, something is working. |
Appreciate this... |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:38 am Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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| Nando_b63 wrote: |
| So I believe read that these really didn’t cool as good as the OG, but since GBE sells them , are they good enough? |
I don't think they cool any worse, I think there isn't really much conclusion to them being really an improvement with the type 4 cooler. A guy at work put one on a single port build since he was converting to doghouse anyways. He said it fit as well as factory, and beat the heck out of cleaning up greasy old rusty tin. If you don't have a local source for cheap OG parts I don't see them being a bad choice, at least compared to the cheap 36 horse style shrouds everyone else uses.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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| Lingwendil wrote: |
| Nando_b63 wrote: |
| So I believe read that these really didn’t cool as good as the OG, but since GBE sells them , are they good enough? |
I don't think they cool any worse, I think there isn't really much conclusion to them being really an improvement with the type 4 cooler. A guy at work put one on a single port build since he was converting to doghouse anyways. He said it fit as well as factory, and beat the heck out of cleaning up greasy old rusty tin. If you don't have a local source for cheap OG parts I don't see them being a bad choice, at least compared to the cheap 36 horse style shrouds everyone else uses. |
This pretty much sums it up. Not worried bout grease , but the rust and having
To powder coat it , it makes sense to just go concept1.
I’ll give GBE a call Monday morning.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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My 02 c. fwiw.
These shouds have generally a very good build quality and fit. Much better than just about anything aftermarket that I have seen.
Cooling wise they equal a regular late model factory unit. One of the largest advantages over a quality 36 hp aftermarket shroud is that the cut outs etc for factory flaps are done. (good for us that use thermostats, not important for those who leave it out anyway)
As menthioned several times before, the addition of a type 4 cooler in the type 1 shroud will only show benefits above approx 5000 rpm fan speed (around 3000 engine rpm dependant on pulley size) From thereon up you will see a graduate improvement on the cooling capacity compared to a stock type 1 set up.
That means, that in a normal geared bug or similar you will not see any gains at normal cruise speeds. Once you get on the interstate there will be a marginally improvement. Typically a 5-7 degree difference over stock. But ONLY if the engine can actually get the air that it needs, which means that if you are running a pre 67 with a closed lid and no additional air intakes the difference will be less if any.
The situations where it makes most sense in my book are T2 busses. The 3 rib transmissions are so low ratioéd that the engine will run at about 3300 rpms going 55 mph. Then you have an actual benefit, and you have some extra cooling capacity to keep temperatures within reason when pulling large hills.
There is a simple thermal explanation to this, but I do not have the energy to write that essay again. The short version is that the air saturation level is too high at lower fan rpms.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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^^^^^^
Nice write up.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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I have a decent late model doghouse shroud but will not be running heat. Would it be better to just freeze plug the heat ducts, or buy one of these w/o ducts? 1641 with cheater cam, merged header and dual 34 icts.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: COOLED brand Engine fanshrouds and engine tin. |
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Dogo,
I just bought one of these. I too wondered about the need of a "Hoover bit" (the tiny bracket that goes around the bottom of the oil cooler between the shroud and the cooler, for those not familiar), so I emailed Concept-1. Ken from Concept-1 replied, stating that the shroud is based on a later style fuel injection fan shroud, which does not require the “hoover bit.” That works for me! One less part to purchase. I have/called them before with questions. They have always been polite and informative. Note: if you want to use a Type I cooler (which would be @#$% goofy  ), then you would have to rig up something to accommodate the gap.
The quality of this shroud is superb. I am building a 2276, so I want to ensure that my project motor stays nicely cooled (it's tapped for full flow & I am planning to run an external oil cooler too, if need be). I just hope my vintage short IDF manifolds will work! I have not utilized it yet, but when I do, I will post my experience with it. When I received it from the supplier (not Concept-1), it had a few tiny scratches (you know, the ones that no one else sees, but you do). Ken stated that "the coating on them is meant as a primer for proper paint. It can be used on its own, but should really be top-coated." Basically, it's a really nice primer. I was planning on spraying it with Rust-Oleum hammered finish paint, so I am quite satisfied (so far). I hope this info helps!
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