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cjsuner
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 Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:33 am Post subject: Watered down? (SOLVED) |
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Hello guys,
Lately (as in the past week) I have not been able to drive my bug because I can't get it to turn over quickly. So here is what has happened lately...
We got a couple days of on and off heavy rain, which, I was not home for, and so I did not cover my bug (2110 engine, dual weber 40's), but i figured it would probably be fine. usually after some heavy-ish rain it take about 10-20 seconds of cranking to get the water out of the engine.
This time though, I have sat that cranking and cranking but all i get is a very sluggish turn-over, almost like the battery is dead. So I charged the battery overnight and in the morning tried again, it turned over faster for a few turns, but then went back to sluggish turns...
And when I say sluggish turns, I mean like 1 every 4 seconds...
Do you guys think this is still a water in the engine problem? Or something else? It was running fine before the rain.
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hobbybob517
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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I would pull the plugs and turn it over for a bit.
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kokanee
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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| Maybe your starter is no good |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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| hobbybob517 wrote: |
| I would pull the plugs and turn it over for a bit. |
Yes! If you think ya got watter in there . . . pull the plugs before cranking!
Then . . . oil change asap!
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ps2375
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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| Why do you attribute this to water in the motor? What have you checked to make you say this? Moisture under cap? That's not in the motor. How old is the battery? How old are IGN system components? Do you have filters on the carbs? |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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Swap batteries or try jumper cables.
Clean battery connections at battery and starter.
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cjsuner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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| ps2375 wrote: |
| Why do you attribute this to water in the motor? What have you checked to make you say this? Moisture under cap? That's not in the motor. How old is the battery? How old are IGN system components? Do you have filters on the carbs? |
I'll pull the plugs and try it again.
I attribute it to water because in my 3 years of having it up and running, whenever it rains, and I don't cover it, it takes a couple slow turns to, I assume, get all of the water out of the system that has slipped in through the carbs (yes I have the filters on them). But I've never had it not turn over before. I didn't have any noticable moisture under the cap. The IGN system components are 3 years old, or newer.
I already gave it an oil change since the rain actually. Do I need to do it again?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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| Are you covering the car or just the carbs? |
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modok
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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You need a decklid, or airfilters that don't funnel water into the engine.
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cjsuner
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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I cover the whole car generally. @Modok, i like those air filter bases! I need to put some drainage holes in the bottom of mine I guess
So the battery tested good, about 12.7 volts. So now I am moving to the starter, anything I should be looking for?
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cjsuner
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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The terminals all look fine, as does the ground strap.
So today, i switched out the starter, tried a brand new one, and then a automatic starter, the brand new one didn't fit all the way, so i switched to the automatic one, which seems to fit just fine, but I still have the same issue.
I also switched out the battery, no change.
I am now in the process of taking out the spark plugs (process because of dual carbs). So far I have gotten 2 out, and they have wet tips...
More to come.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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Distributor cap or wires and plugs.
Why are you replacing a starter when it is turning over the engine? |
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cjsuner
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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Alright guys. UPDATE:
I pulled the plugs, and turned it over, without a problem, and a little bit of water came out, so thats "good".
I put everything back together, and now the car turns over, and is equipped with an autostick starter (man those things are way louder than stock manual!)
So I think the problem is solved, yay! Thanks guys for all of the advice and help.
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hobbybob517
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Watered down? (SOLVED) |
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Good to hear it was a simple fix 
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? |
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| cjsuner wrote: |
Alright guys. UPDATE:
I pulled the plugs, and turned it over, without a problem, and a little bit of water came out . . . |
Did ya do this AFTER ya changed the oil?????
If you did an oil change, and had cranking problems . . . changed the starter and battery, and still had cranking problems . . . THEN, pulled the plugs to pump the water out of the cylinder(s) so that it now cranks fine . . . hydro-static lock . . .
There's a good probability that there's water in the crankcase again!
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cjsuner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? (SOLVED) |
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Just wanted to post a quick thank you for the help guys, and also I just drained out my oil and I got this
It looks like a latte instead of like normal nice black coffee for oil! I needed to change my oil after that for sure!
Thanks again for the suggestion, I would have not thought to do that!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? (SOLVED) |
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| Do you have some sort of funnel from the outside straight into the crankcase? That seems like a whole lot of water to go past an airfilter... |
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cjsuner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? (SOLVED) |
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| Do you have some sort of funnel from the outside straight into the crankcase? That seems like a whole lot of water to go past an airfilter... |
Haha not that I know of, I've had this problem ever since i put on my weber 40's idf's... It's a really annoying problem to have.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Watered down? (SOLVED) |
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| Do you have standoff's on the decklid? My '69 has a later decklid and I haven't run into this issue with dual IDF's, but we normally don't get as much rain as the Bay area does. That is a bunch of water, holy crap! |
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