Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts  See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Brake drums rear
Forum Index -> Bay Window Bus Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Kiwi1966
Samba Member


Joined: August 18, 2009
Posts: 93
Location: Ohoka New Zealand
Kiwi1966 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:13 am    Post subject: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Hi Have been looking for some half decent rear brake drums to suot a 69 bus- had a look at some new ones today and I could not believe the poor quality of thes mexican built drums, pitting castings that had epoxy put in the holes to try and disguise the hole and badly machined splines .Also checked some airtech ones out that were much better castings but the splines were very loose on the stub axles.Has anybody had any experience with the CSP manafactured drums
Cheers Ross


Last edited by Kiwi1966 on Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:48 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Tram
Samba Socialist


Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 20678
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
Tram is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:46 am    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Kiwi1966 wrote:
Hi Have been looking for some half decent rear brake drums - had a look at some new ones today and I could not believe the poor quality of thes mexican built drums, pitting castings that had epoxy put in the holes to try and disguise the hole and badly machined splines .Also checked some airtech ones out that were much better castings but the splines were very loose on the stub axles.Has anybody had any experience with the CSP manafactured drums


Wolfsburg West has genuine German rear drums. Anything else is a total and complete waste of time and frustration at any price:

https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211501615G

1968 only:

https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211501615F

ONLY use good used axle nuts. ALL the new ones are downright dangerous. they are cast- not forged- and I had two just split in half when I torqued them.
_________________
Give A Pal a Hand!
www.happytrailsfarm.org

vwfye wrote:
Oh the joy of custom things...



RIPRW

"I'm very fond of long walks, especially when taken by those who annoy me."- Fred Allen
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Tom Powell
Samba Member


Joined: December 01, 2005
Posts: 4801
Location: Kaneohe
Tom Powell is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Tram wrote:
Wolfsburg West has genuine German rear drums. Anything else is a total and complete waste of time and frustration at any price:

https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211501615G ...
ONLY use good used axle nuts. ALL the new ones are downright dangerous. they are cast- not forged- and I had two just split in half when I torqued them.


The WW drums may be the best available, but the casting pattern is different from OG.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


OG drums are available in the classifieds:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1885972
and more

Aloha
tp
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
SGKent Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: October 30, 2007
Posts: 26948
Location: Nor Cal
SGKent is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Tom Powell wrote:
Tram wrote:
Wolfsburg West has genuine German rear drums. Anything else is a total and complete waste of time and frustration at any price:

https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211501615G ...
ONLY use good used axle nuts. ALL the new ones are downright dangerous. they are cast- not forged- and I had two just split in half when I torqued them.


The WW drums may be the best available, but the casting pattern is different from OG.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


OG drums are available in the classifieds:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1885972
and more

Aloha
tp


Hi Tom - the drums in the for sale ad are for a 1971 - 1979 bay that has forged axle flanges. The 1969 does not use a flange hence the reinforcement inside the drum.

1971 with flange inside the hub. Photo from TheSamba Gallery

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
machine work recommendations: http://kentcomputer.com/77VW/machinework.pdf

Pointers on rebuilding an engine:
http://kentcomputer.com/77VW/rebuilding_a_vw_engine.pdf
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Tom Powell
Samba Member


Joined: December 01, 2005
Posts: 4801
Location: Kaneohe
Tom Powell is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

The WW ad says '69-70.
The classified ad says '68-79
My photo is from my '69 camper
I bought a pair of '69 drums from the classifieds years ago.
IMO: OG drums if they haven't been abused and within specs are probably better than any aftermarket drums

Aloha
tp
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Tram
Samba Socialist


Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 20678
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
Tram is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Tom Powell wrote:
Tram wrote:
Wolfsburg West has genuine German rear drums. Anything else is a total and complete waste of time and frustration at any price:

https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211501615G ...
ONLY use good used axle nuts. ALL the new ones are downright dangerous. they are cast- not forged- and I had two just split in half when I torqued them.


The WW drums may be the best available, but the casting pattern is different from OG.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


OG drums are available in the classifieds:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1885972
and more

Aloha
tp


Yes, the WW German drums are actually thicker and heavier than OG.
_________________
Give A Pal a Hand!
www.happytrailsfarm.org

vwfye wrote:
Oh the joy of custom things...



RIPRW

"I'm very fond of long walks, especially when taken by those who annoy me."- Fred Allen
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Kiwi1966
Samba Member


Joined: August 18, 2009
Posts: 93
Location: Ohoka New Zealand
Kiwi1966 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

After a bit more research I believe the CSP and the Wolfsburg West drums are made by a well known brake manafacturer Sebro in Germany.I think if I cant get my hands on a set of descent used in spec or with enougj meat left to skim them out I will purchase a new set of WW/CSP drums.They are almost 3 times the price of the cheapies but I think on some partst is best not too take the risk
Cheers
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address Gallery Classifieds Feedback
asiab3
Samba Member


Joined: April 04, 2012
Posts: 8115
Location: San Diego
asiab3 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Kiwi1966 wrote:
After a bit more research I believe the CSP and the Wolfsburg West drums are made by a well known brake manafacturer Sebro in Germany.I think if I cant get my hands on a set of descent used in spec or with enougj meat left to skim them out I will purchase a new set of WW/CSP drums.They are almost 3 times the price of the cheapies but I think on some partst is best not too take the risk
Cheers


Yes, Sebro makes the good WW drums. Look for the pictures where Colinís Brazilian aftermarket drums cracked at the hubs, and would have shattered if he didnít catch it in time......

Robbie
_________________
Three rules of troubleshooting:
1. Do the easiest thing first.
2. Don't rely on the guy before you. He was not able to fix the problem.
3. 90% of problems are between the driver's seat and the steering wheel.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Tram
Samba Socialist


Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 20678
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
Tram is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Kiwi1966 wrote:
After a bit more research I believe the CSP and the Wolfsburg West drums are made by a well known brake manafacturer Sebro in Germany.I think if I cant get my hands on a set of descent used in spec or with enougj meat left to skim them out I will purchase a new set of WW/CSP drums.They are almost 3 times the price of the cheapies but I think on some partst is best not too take the risk
Cheers


Actually, you jogged my memory- you are correct- the drums were in Sebro boxes.
_________________
Give A Pal a Hand!
www.happytrailsfarm.org

vwfye wrote:
Oh the joy of custom things...



RIPRW

"I'm very fond of long walks, especially when taken by those who annoy me."- Fred Allen
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Tom Powell
Samba Member


Joined: December 01, 2005
Posts: 4801
Location: Kaneohe
Tom Powell is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Tram wrote:
... Yes, the WW German drums are actually thicker and heavier than OG.


I learn something new every time I post.
Dagnabit, I've been wrong a lot of times.

Aloha
tp
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Tram
Samba Socialist


Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 20678
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
Tram is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Tom Powell wrote:
Tram wrote:
... Yes, the WW German drums are actually thicker and heavier than OG.


I learn something new every time I post.
Dagnabit, I've been wrong a lot of times.

Aloha
tp


Don't feel all alone. Laughing After 43 years of doing this I am still learning. First tool I reach for at the beginning of a job always has been and always will be the repair manual.
_________________
Give A Pal a Hand!
www.happytrailsfarm.org

vwfye wrote:
Oh the joy of custom things...



RIPRW

"I'm very fond of long walks, especially when taken by those who annoy me."- Fred Allen
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Kiwi1966
Samba Member


Joined: August 18, 2009
Posts: 93
Location: Ohoka New Zealand
Kiwi1966 is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:20 am    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Well my CSP (Sebro made in Germany) rear drums turned up today from Just Kampers and they are a piece of art- beautifully machined and 10 times the quality of the Chinese/Mexican ones I looked at. The Mexican ones were paticully of poor quality with casting flaws filled with epoxy. Price was up there ( over twice the price of the shiters) but I think itís the old story of cry once.Just Kampers Australia were great to deal with- recommended
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Abscate Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: October 05, 2014
Posts: 6558
Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
Abscate is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

For brakes , the adage is die once.
_________________
.ssS!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Kiwi1966
Samba Member


Joined: August 18, 2009
Posts: 93
Location: Ohoka New Zealand
Kiwi1966 is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Yep you are right - dont want to muck about with brakes, its quite scary that this shiter stuff can be sold .Like I said I can highly reccomend the Sebro drums, top notch product
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address Gallery Classifieds Feedback
rastomas
Samba Member


Joined: April 05, 2007
Posts: 169
Location: rosendale, ny
rastomas is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

I just heard from JustKampers (England). The drums they sell (the 5x112's anyway) are from Belgium. Didn't give me the brand, but said they had no issues with them.
_________________
"It's not 'You are what you eat', it's 'You are what you don't SHIT". Wavy Gravy.


'74 Westy


Last edited by rastomas on Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:41 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Facebook Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Kiwi1966
Samba Member


Joined: August 18, 2009
Posts: 93
Location: Ohoka New Zealand
Kiwi1966 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


The set I got from Just Kampers Aust were made by Sebro Germany
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address Gallery Classifieds Feedback
kaiisons
Samba Member


Joined: January 07, 2012
Posts: 40
Location: Sydney, Australia
kaiisons is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake drums rear Reply with quote

rastomas wrote:
I just heard from JustKampers (England). The drums they sell (the 5x112's anyway) are from Belgium. Didn't give me the brand, but said they had no issues with them.


They are OMC drums I have a set.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Bay Window Bus All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2016, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB