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splitjunkie
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 Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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Am I correct in assuming that you are using MIG for tacking and TIG or Resistance Spot Welding for everything else?
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WrennMetallWerks
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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| splitjunkie wrote: |
| Am I correct in assuming that you are using MIG for tacking and TIG or Resistance Spot Welding for everything else? |
Our goal is to spot weld everywhere we can reach , other then that next we grab the Mig machine and butt , rosette , lap and fill it weld most everything else.
As of rite now I only use the Tig machine when I can control the Panels /Parts I'm working with. I'm much more seasoned on a Mig machine when doing the reconstruction. When I'm comfortable like at the bench I have the confidence to bust at the Tig machine and enjoy it's benefits.
Earlier this year when Christian and I were doing a nose skin on a ghia, So I set myself up on one side with the Tig machine and he set up on the other side with his Mig . I wanted to see first how I could do with such a long and important butt weld using the Tig machine, second I wanted to see who would finish first. He beat me but not badly, but in addition my finish work was not as pleasing to the eye as his was. I say all that to say at this point in time we primarily Mig everything we can not spot weld.
I was just talking with my son saying I'm going to begin taking the time to use the Tig machine more and at the same time teaching him to the point that we both could pick it up and make it a everyday part of our arsenal.
The owner and I have decided to graft in the Original numbers into the spare tire panel and that will be a perfect application for me to use the Tig machine.
Thanks for the engaging question bro. 🤜🤛
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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TIG 1" stitch welds and planish while red hot, almost no grinding and doesn't leave a hard weld which will crack like MIG
Even if you don't hammer-weld, the TIG bead should be much softer requiring less grinding and heat put into the panel.
I spent many hours doing a massive reconstruction of a d'ieteren 356 roadster and all the exterior skin was done with TIG. HUGE improvement over butt welding with a MIG.
I LOVE your work Jason, but you should definitely spend the time to learn sheet metal TIG, it is the ultimate (well aside from gas welding, but most people don't have the patience to master that)
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:49 am Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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| When you guys refer to gas welding, do you mean oxy acetylene? |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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| WrennMetallWerks wrote: |
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| When you guys refer to gas welding, do you mean oxy acetylene? |
Typically speaking, Yes.
Otherwise known as Oxy fuel welding. Witch is oxygen and a verity of different gases that can be used per application. ��
I found gas welding to be fun and very affective but with my limited experience actually doing it I found that I was prone to introducing tons of heat into the panel in order to create a healthy bead, witch translated to distortion for me. I guess avoiding that just come with practice. |
That's kind of funny, I rock the gas welding (40 years of practice) but absolutely suck at TIG (recent aquisition), seems I have to find a master to show me the way to complete TigFu enlightenment. But a quality MIG machine with a skilled operator who does it every day can pull off some amazing work as well, often just as pretty as TIG and with almost no surrounding heat, practice practice practice.
Your work looks outstanding whatever method you use, well done!
How's that decklid coming along? 
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WrennMetallWerks
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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| WrennMetallWerks wrote: |
| favguy wrote: |
| When you guys refer to gas welding, do you mean oxy acetylene? |
Typically speaking, Yes.
Otherwise known as Oxy fuel welding. Witch is oxygen and a verity of different gases that can be used per application. ��
I found gas welding to be fun and very affective but with my limited experience actually doing it I found that I was prone to introducing tons of heat into the panel in order to create a healthy bead, witch translated to distortion for me. I guess avoiding that just come with practice. |
That's kind of funny, I rock the gas welding (40 years of practice) but absolutely suck at TIG (recent aquisition), seems I have to find a master to show me the way to complete TigFu enlightenment. But a quality MIG machine with a skilled operator who does it every day can pull off some amazing work as well, often just as pretty as TIG and with almost no surrounding heat, practice practice practice.
Your work looks outstanding whatever method you use, well done!
How's that decklid coming along? |
First off.... Dude. I would love to sit and learn from you and all those years of knowledge. This question of what style welding to use is a interesting one for sure. Bethany, my wife just asked me the other day " why do some people Tig and some people Mig". My response was " From my experience a good portion of the time it comes down to who taught you how to weld. For me, my friend Mat first taught me to weld on wire flux core and I thought is was fantastic. Lol. It's was not until I was lucky enough and eager enough to surround myself with folks that where seasoned in just about any welding application needed for this industry did I pick up the other styles. I use a Mig machine as almost as a default setting based on how I was taught and frankly what I saw. When I first started building cars most folks deferred to Mig. It was not until the last decade or so have we seen seasoned techs using mostly Tig machines in the automotive sheet metal game. Obviously this is all just my opinion and from my personal experience. From all that I will say Tig has some wonderful benefits like Sled mentioned and I'm looking forward to using our machine more and more as we progress.
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| Your work looks outstanding whatever method you use, well done! |
I agree 100 percent!
Just wondering . . . and sorry if I missed it . . . but, have you ever tried SPOOLARC EASY GRIND wire?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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| WrennMetallWerks wrote: |
| favguy wrote: |
| When you guys refer to gas welding, do you mean oxy acetylene? |
Typically speaking, Yes.
Otherwise known as Oxy fuel welding. Witch is oxygen and a verity of different gases that can be used per application. ��
I found gas welding to be fun and very affective but with my limited experience actually doing it I found that I was prone to introducing tons of heat into the panel in order to create a healthy bead, witch translated to distortion for me. I guess avoiding that just come with practice. |
That's kind of funny, I rock the gas welding (40 years of practice) but absolutely suck at TIG (recent aquisition), seems I have to find a master to show me the way to complete TigFu enlightenment. But a quality MIG machine with a skilled operator who does it every day can pull off some amazing work as well, often just as pretty as TIG and with almost no surrounding heat, practice practice practice.
Your work looks outstanding whatever method you use, well done!
How's that decklid coming along? |
Update on the Decklid guys: It's just chilling out waiting for me to get back on it after last week because I pulled it out this rotation to compare it to the bottom half of a early 60s lid in the hopes I could graft the bottom 2 inches or so (just bellow the raised license section) onto the 47 lid. Unfortunately when I started sanding on my would be donor I ran into a ton of bondo so a stopped on that and sent out a few text to the my local friends looking for a good donor, but nothing yet. (anyone reading this close to me that has something please let me know ). I'm sure we will come up on something before the next rotation so I can get back on it. 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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| . . . have you ever tried SPOOLARC EASY GRIND wire? |
I may revisit it if the cost has gone down over the years. Have you had a good experience with it? Thanks dude. |
Actually, I ordered it online and before it arrived, I finished welding the panel I was going to use it for. I have not put it in my machine yet. 
Just curious . . . how long is yer waiting list?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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Merry Christmas, a couple more drivetrain parts for the project; A rebuilt early correct 47' 25hp starter Model 0.4/6L, and 25hp non-jacketed "K" style intake courtesey of WWII VW in Poland.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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Nice to see a starter that is painted correctly. Just like the front suspension, they were assembled from raw pieces and painted as one unit just like yours.
The stuff WWII VW makes looks really nice.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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Nice to see a starter that is painted correctly. Just like the front suspension, they were assembled from raw pieces and painted as one unit just like yours.
The stuff WWII VW makes looks really nice. |
It is very nice. Although I have only compared it to an early jacketed manifold when closely compared it is very very well done. (id love to hear the opinion on this from another source who has compared them). I do prefer to use original factory period parts as much as possible, as most can see by my dedication to finding even date coded parts. However, we have already sought out original replacements for many parts that we already had, but were not original. Correct or were reproduction. However when an excellent reproduction is available at about half the cost, it just makes more sense for me at this juncture to go this route for the time being. With a ways to go still on this project I have to make tough decisions on where funds are best appropriated. I think the long term plan is that when the car is finished, any parts that we had used that were not period original, I could then focus on replacing those a little at a time. But so far we dont plan on using many. In such cases that an original part is nearly impossible to source then we may have no choice. Thanks again all for following along. Cheers and merry Christmas. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection |
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That manifold looks epic.
38/06 was a wicked build to Read and watch, but I’m enjoying this one just as much if not more with the constant updates and sourcing of parts for it. The way the body and chassis is coming together with the updated pics is epic! Gives u a better idea of how much work and effort is going into it!
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