What's with all these Brazilian buses? Bringing values down/up?

[dantillon14]

[NUTSFORBUSES]

I may change that in the future but there is a link at the top of that section to see "pre-1968 Buses only" that should (hopefully) exclude all the Brazilian Buses

I agree too ___POLL !
I like the fact that Parts are available, but there are too many guys faking them, like the Mustang Cobra's.
You can even buy an ID plate (fake). I have had two splitty's, love them, I feel real inside one< strange?
Yes I have cars surrounded in plastic, but the bus is a strange love affair for me, even when she Breaks, I cannot get mad at her. This is the biggest site in the world, time to distinguish the two apart. I have seen many of these imports, most awful, a few done well, but I only want German rides. Have you noticed? they even smell different! If you don't smell Schnitzel, it just is not a German steel. "they actually mixed Schnitzel into the alloys, that's not oil, it's grease"
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[Lind]

If you whiners can't handle looking at certain split buses, just click on the link that Everett has been kind enough to put for you at the top of the split bus category in the classifieds. (search only pre-68 buses) That cleans out most of the split buses which your tender eyes can't handle.

Personally, less than 10% of the split buses in the classifieds excite me at all. I just scroll past those ads that I am not interested in and click on the ones that do excite me. I suspect that is how most everyone does it.

Brazilian buses are real split buses. They have two windows in front. Brazilian imports mean more split buses on the market. More split buses means lower prices for all buses, including the German produced ones. Arguing against Brazilian buses is basically arguing for less buses on the road, and for all buses to be more expensive.

I understand being against Brazilians if you are a heartless speculator. But if you are into the hobby and into split split buses, it seems silly to argue against more cheaper split buses.

deal with it.
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[mandraks]

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[NUTSFORBUSES]

What Texas said-thumbs up.

If you bust your ass cleaning-up and old bus, you want to have an older bus. I have yet to see a well done "imported for sale only" from Brazil. Guys just using inferior paint jobs and sticking them in a container to make a buck- it does make German's more valuable, but it kind to like a Shelby Cobra replica, everyone has one, and what was once a rarity, has become Meh.
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I predict Brazilian buses will continue to increase in value as more people who can no longer afford a German bus will buy them. They are actually starting to grow on me especially the 15 window models that are very reasonably priced.
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There are lot of folks here who think overpaying for a hunk of metal is an investment, which it just isn't. The Brazilian scene is just one of many risk factors that take this out of the investment category and into the wild-catting territory.

No one has gotten rich off these things - plenty have gotten poorer.

The value of cash invested in 2009 now is extreme - if you bought a Bus for 20k in 2009 and did nothing to it, and it isn't worth 50k, you lost money.
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[Alan Brase]

[bobbyblack]

I'm daunted by my '65 15 window... If I could get ahold of a parts rig to chop bits off and it were from South America, I don't think I would bat an eye. I am still trying to sort out what order of operations to make any headway at all with my two drivable VW's let alone my '60's stuff. How anyone can find the time to do project after project on top of other projects baffles me.

Keep up the good work, all those who are able!

-bobby
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[EeVeeWee]

It is difficult to predict what the amount of Brazilian buses will do with the price of German buses in the future.
A fact is that there are still a lot of them for sale.

http://www.dreamkombi.com/us/collection/kombi/

[BusJunky]

I get a little irritated when I look in the split section(every day) and theres a handful more of them posted. 10 years ago I just wanted one. I didnt care what country it was manufacured in. The longer ive been in the scene the more my views have changed. I used to want a beautiful restored bus, but now i like them sort of beat up and original. 15 window buses used to seem like unicorns to me lol. But now its common and not as exciting when I do see one. It does seem like the prices of all splits are coming down to more reasonable prices. If I was in the market for a 15 window, i would buy a rusty german built one over a Brazilian restored one and fix it. There more attchment(for me) knowing it was shipped to my country 50-60 years ago from its true home and enjoyed here in the states its entire life until left to rot. Then I stumble across it and resurrect it. It means more to me. However, if I didnt have the skills to fix them and just wanted one to enjoy, id spend half the money and import a brazil one. I would buy the baywindow/ split window one from the 80’s because those are different. I wonder if the Porsche 911 had been made in brazil in the 70’s too, what that market would look like?
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[nigel naughton]

Some in this thread were just saying, 'just scroll pass them in the classifieds and deal with it'. For me that's not the point. I was just wondering on the effect they are having on the 'real' buses. I am sure any VW from the Motherland is the way to go and if someone wants a Brazilian one then ok..no problem.

Which kind of leads me to the next question: Is the bus scene (or the VW aircooled scene in general) getting played out?

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