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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

Does anybody know if the auto half shafts will swap out to the 5spd tranny? Thank you
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

For the ECU, I believe you at least need a auto or manual ECU from a 93 for the 5 cylinder engine control. As far as the axles go, again between 93 components, the passenger side for the auto is the same as either side for the manual. You have to look at Length measurements to figure that out with the vr6 auto axles working with the 93 manual.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

I think there is a difference in the throttle body between auto & manual equipped engines. Using the throttle body from an automatic transmission equipped engine when the vehicle is converted to manual transmission will cause a high idle.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

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For the ECU, I believe you at least need a auto or manual ECU from a 93 for the 5 cylinder engine control. As far as the axles go, again between 93 components, the passenger side for the auto is the same as either side for the manual. You have to look at Length measurements to figure that out with the vr6 auto axles working with the 93 manual.


Both vans are 93'. So the driver side are different?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

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I think there is a difference in the throttle body between auto & manual equipped engines. Using the throttle body from an automatic transmission equipped engine when the vehicle is converted to manual transmission will cause a high idle.


Original shouldn't be adjusted?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

iirc the 93 auto and 93 5spd throttle bodies
the 93 auto has an extra plug in to the position sensor to tell the TCU when you are at WOT and closed throttle.
the ECU side of the plug is independent and the same on both.
there isn't any throttle plate motor mechanism
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:
iirc the 93 auto and 93 5spd throttle bodies
the 93 auto has an extra plug in to the position sensor to tell the TCU when you are at WOT and closed throttle.
the ECU side of the plug is independent and the same on both.
there isn't any throttle plate motor mechanism


Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

Sorry to ask about the axle again just a bit confused.. So the driver axle does need to swapped from the 5spd?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:56 am    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

Looking at retailers, they sell a specific part for right and left side. Looking at EuropartsSD, they list the passenger side and manual axles together.

http://europarts-sd.com/mfg-subcat-item.asp?cID=45&scID=332

In reality, and having the auto axles, you could compare their lengths to see if there is a difference there. Or if there is some sort of difference in the inner cv bolt pattern.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

Joshwa wrote:
Looking at retailers, they sell a specific part for right and left side. Looking at EuropartsSD, they list the passenger side and manual axles together.

http://europarts-sd.com/mfg-subcat-item.asp?cID=45&scID=332

In reality, and having the auto axles, you could compare their lengths to see if there is a difference there. Or if there is some sort of difference in the inner cv bolt pattern.


Thank you. Seems the starter is also different.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

Awdrocks wrote:
Does anybody know if the auto half shafts will swap out to the 5spd tranny? Thank you

question for you!
do you still have the old tranny?
thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:11 am    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

Auto? No the auto wasn't mine. I have a auto 93' tranny. It needs some work.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

Can anyone shed any light in this? A friend is rebuilding his Eurovan 24v and the pistons are coming way out. Hits the head by about a 1/4". Head was serviced and crank 10over.

Any ideas??

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

Figured it out, and none of us are blonde. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

Hello everyone.

Yesterday I swapped out a shifter cable (all the way up to the shifter lever) to a 93 automatic.

The van won't start now. I read about it for several hours last night that it needs to be adjusted properly, like manually putting it into neutral while detaching the cable from the transmission etc. I read someone say that the car needs to be in its natural level position (for a different vehicle).

The dash gear position indicator is not showing any gears being selected.I can also not hear the switch activating in the lever anymore when applying the brake. Also now the electrical seems weird, hazards don't work (hazard button turns solid red when pressing), and if the keys are out and I press on the brake the ebrake light turns on as do a couple of lights on the dash.

I can not seem to find the correct protocol procedure on this van to fix.

Can someone please shed some light on how to fix this or perhaps a thread that goes over it?

Thank you! All the best
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 1993 Eurovan 5-cylinder/5spd SWAP into a 2002 Eurovan VR6/Auto Reply with quote

Found a couple culprits. Hopefully this can help someone in the future.

There was a broken ground that went to the battery to the chassi under the battery trey. That took care of the display not showing the gears selected.

The starting issue continued and traced it down to a bad ignition switch. Swapted the switch and now the engine starts right up, hazards work as they should and also fixed the dash lights coming on when pressing on the brakes.

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