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hobbybob517
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Very impressive build, keep it up 
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58Dub
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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long block is done minus pushrods. next up is finding someone to weld some aluminum and get the intake routing figured out.
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58Dub
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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Thanks Vince. Things are slow as funds are tight, but its getting there. Need to decide on a clutch disc and figure out how Im going to run my intake tubes to the turbo.
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clonebug
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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| 58Dub wrote: |
| Thanks Vince. Things are slow as funds are tight, but its getting there. Need to decide on a clutch disc and figure out how Im going to run my intake tubes to the turbo. |
I have tested a Stage I and CB super disc and they are good to about 200 ft. lbs. torque.
If your power target is higher you might want to get a Stage II and a decent disc. A stage II is supposedly good to 220 ft. lbs.
Depending on your boost level you might power through that too.
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58Dub
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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I have a stage 2 PP. debating on what disc to use. will be 90% aggressive street use
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clonebug
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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| 58Dub wrote: |
| I have a stage 2 PP. debating on what disc to use. will be 90% aggressive street use |
I will probably go for the Stage II and a CB Super Disc. My Wife rides with me a quite a bit so I need a Buggy with good manners. I doubt my intake and heads will support more than 220 ft. lbs. torque.
What kind of hp are you aiming for????
Which turbo are you going to use?
At 220 ft. lbs torque You will probably be seeing north of 250 whp.
There are few if any strokers that will put that hp out N/A and will never get that much torque.
The one that possibly could wouldn't be worth a toot on the street.
Post the engine size, rpm, hp and boost targets you want and I'll plug them into my favorite calculator for some results.
Edit.....I read your build and see you have the transmission for it........so I removed some of my post.
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58Dub
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:24 am Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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| clonebug wrote: |
I will probably go for the Stage II and a CB Super Disc. My Wife rides with me a quite a bit so I need a Buggy with good manners. I doubt my intake and heads will support more than 220 ft. lbs. torque.
What kind of hp are you aiming for????
Which turbo are you going to use?
At 220 ft. lbs torque You will probably be seeing north of 250 whp.
There are few if any strokers that will put that hp out N/A and will never get that much torque.
The one that possibly could wouldn't be worth a toot on the street.
Post the engine size, rpm, hp and boost targets you want and I'll plug them into my favorite calculator for some results.
Edit.....I read your build and see you have the transmission for it........so I removed some of my post. |
so its 94 x 80, so a 2221
I had Shag/ SL1 racing match the heads, cam and turbo. Turbo is a T3/4e 54trim compressor and stg3 turbine. .48 a/r housing. wanted a max rpm of 7000. as for boost, Id say it will be kept low until all issues have been debugged from the car and injection system... so...7lbs?
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58Dub
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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had to make up a new crank sensor bracket. Purchased a kit from Mario at the Dub Shop for the waterboxer, but using the type 1 pulley that I am, the sensor ran out of room, so I moved it from the side to the top
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veeweeman
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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Nice engine project build. ..I just have to ask why turn a water cooled vw into a air cooled version...with all the aftermarket aluminum cases available, I don't get it. ..I've enjoyed reading and love all the attention to the detail pics. ..you have autocraft, TF1, CB Performance, EMPI and many other bad ass engine cases available. ..why go through all the hassle and all the machine work. ..I've even heard of using the waterboxer crank in a mag case...I get that the crank is better designed than the gland nut crank, so why not a aftermarket aluminum case with the waterboxer crank?...I don't know much about the waterboxer engine other than the constant head gasket problems they where known for.
Either way you do it. ..it's your build and I will be watching for more updates...do you plan on using a engine dyno to tune that monster? |
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58Dub
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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Nice engine project build. ..I just have to ask why turn a water cooled vw into a air cooled version...with all the aftermarket aluminum cases available, I don't get it. ..I've enjoyed reading and love all the attention to the detail pics. ..you have autocraft, TF1, CB Performance, EMPI and many other bad ass engine cases available. ..why go through all the hassle and all the machine work. ..I've even heard of using the waterboxer crank in a mag case...I get that the crank is better designed than the gland nut crank, so why not a aftermarket aluminum case with the waterboxer crank?...I don't know much about the waterboxer engine other than the constant head gasket problems they where known for.
Either way you do it. ..it's your build and I will be watching for more updates...do you plan on using a engine dyno to tune that monster? |
no "need" other that the experience. The block is made from diecast aluminum which Im told is much stronger.... that and in the end, its still a VW part and not aftermarket
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clonebug
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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| clonebug wrote: |
I will probably go for the Stage II and a CB Super Disc. My Wife rides with me a quite a bit so I need a Buggy with good manners. I doubt my intake and heads will support more than 220 ft. lbs. torque.
What kind of hp are you aiming for????
Which turbo are you going to use?
At 220 ft. lbs torque You will probably be seeing north of 250 whp.
There are few if any strokers that will put that hp out N/A and will never get that much torque.
The one that possibly could wouldn't be worth a toot on the street.
Post the engine size, rpm, hp and boost targets you want and I'll plug them into my favorite calculator for some results.
Edit.....I read your build and see you have the transmission for it........so I removed some of my post. |
so its 94 x 80, so a 2221
I had Shag/ SL1 racing match the heads, cam and turbo. Turbo is a T3/4e 54trim compressor and stg3 turbine. .48 a/r housing. wanted a max rpm of 7000. as for boost, Id say it will be kept low until all issues have been debugged from the car and injection system... so...7lbs? |
Using your build specs, rpm target and boost level you get.
Peak hp 250
AFR 12.0:1
BSFC .55 (default)
IAT's 130 * F.
VE .95 (default)
Max RPM 7000
CI. 135
8.42 lbs Boost required
27.5 lbs. air/min
340.78 CFM
Find out what your turbo will flow in CFM's.
I'll guess that turbo should support about 375 to 450 hp.
You could easily run less rpm and add some boost to get the same hp.
Get a decent intercooler and/or WI on it if you go over 8-10 lbs. boost .
I have both installed now and it makes a big difference.
Just for giggles 400 hp would take 22.29 lbs boost and 545.25 CFM which just might be a little too much for that turbo......I could be wrong though. 
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58Dub
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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Hmmm... thanks. Yes, it will have an intercooler and will also be runniing e85.
What are you running for an intercooler? Air to air or water to air?
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clonebug
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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Hmmm... thanks. Yes, it will have an intercooler and will also be runniing e85.
What are you running for an intercooler? Air to air or water to air? |
I installed an air to air intercooler.
It's from a Twin Turbo Audi V6 3.0 L. Probably too small for your size engine but for me it was free......
It drops my IAT's another 30 plus degrees combined with the WI.
During some dyno pulls I was seeing IAT's of 73* F at 20.5 lbs. boost.
I never see it that low.......I had ambient air temps of 38-42 Degrees helping though.....
E85 is going to be nice for you.........hope you have big injectors...... 
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58Dub
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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trying to start piecing together an intake
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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progress!?!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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Hey brother, any update?
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Bad bug
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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Not worth the effort ...meaning he did not want to remove the studs? Did Rocky say not needed?
Adding shuffle pins will make the engine case even more stiffer. |
I have spoken to another reputable engine builder ( Marco Mansini ) who loves these engines and he said shuffle pinning isn't needed until you go over 8000RPM.
I also have one of these engines in the making but what i did was to use raceware case bolts and have those act as shuffle pins. |
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Bad bug
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Oxy Type V project |
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| veeweeman wrote: |
Nice engine project build. ..I just have to ask why turn a water cooled vw into a air cooled version...with all the aftermarket aluminum cases available, I don't get it. ..I've enjoyed reading and love all the attention to the detail pics. ..you have autocraft, TF1, CB Performance, EMPI and many other bad ass engine cases available. ..why go through all the hassle and all the machine work. ..I've even heard of using the waterboxer crank in a mag case...I get that the crank is better designed than the gland nut crank, so why not a aftermarket aluminum case with the waterboxer crank?...I don't know much about the waterboxer engine other than the constant head gasket problems they where known for.
Either way you do it. ..it's your build and I will be watching for more updates...do you plan on using a engine dyno to tune that monster? |
Why, Why everybody wants to know why? Well for starters the case is die case which is way stronger than sand case ( CB, TF1, EMPI, possibly autocraft ).
The case is stock vw with much better bearing ( steel back bearing ) also with the case being stock you eliminate bearing fitment issues, all the oil holes in the case line up with the oil holes in the bearing.
Stock crank can withstand over 600WHP maybe someone here will counter this argument with higher horsepower figures. Have a look at these two videos of Marco Mansi engine and the skinne waterboxer engine.
Marco mansi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBJsxwRKVIE
Skinne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNXPI9VviBk |
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