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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

For sale by VW Heritage in europe.
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VW HERITAGE LHD TYPE 25 TISCHER FOR SALE
Having purchased this ultra rare coach built conversion in 2015, we’ve decided to let another owner enjoy the Tischer’s unique mix of caravan and conventional water-cooled Type 25 LHD. But what is it, how did we come across it in the first place – and why should you consider buying it?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or that’s the generally accepted bottom line when it comes to anything that divides opinion looks-wise. Yes, this 1989 Type 25 Tischer XL65 LHD is big and caravan-like, but it’s beautifully made, hugely practical and actually pretty rare.

Fit for purpose
It was spotted for sale in Kiel, Northern Germany on a classic car website. We instantly took a shine to it and instructed one of our friends over there to go take a closer look. It turned out to be every bit as good as it said in the advert with zero rust, just 110,000km (70,000 miles) and a good service history, so a deal was done and the LHD Bus was driven back to the UK. For us it provided the perfect show Bus; with its Tardis like interior, built-in shower, huge seating area, 60-litre fridge, twin burner stove, sink and lots of cupboard space it proved ideal for touring around the various VW events.

VW Tischer XL65

So what is it?
It was built by German manufacturer Tischer Freizeitfahrzeuge GmbH and is thought to be one of just 27 ever built. It started life as a conventional Type 25 chassis cab with the wheelbase extended by 65cm to accommodate the glassfibre box-like rear end. Power is courtesy of trusty 1.6 (JX) turbodiesel. It’s no firecracker, although it’s pretty economical and can happily cruise all day at 65mph. And because of the relatively aerodynamic shape of the living quarters and long wheelbase, it’s very stable.

All the bells and whistles
As you might expect from something this exclusive, it comes very well fitted out. There’s power steering, an 85-litre fresh water tank, Truma E2800 gas heater (with thermostat), Truma water heater, 60-litre fridge/freezer, stove, roof rack ladder, Fiamma bike rack and captain’s chairs up front. And they’re not your usual Type 25 pews – these ones are made by ISRI and usually appear in HGV vehicles and buses, and are some of the comfiest perches we’ve sat on. There’s even a toilet and generous shower cubicle – so you won’t have to worry about straying off the beaten track while on your travels. In fact, many of the interior fixtures and fittings are shared with the similar sized but more common Karmann Gipsy. Okay, it’s a little ‘of the period’ in terms of interior fabrics etc – but that’s all part of its classic appeal.

The U-shaped seating area is especially sociable and very much like a mobile home in its overall roominess. Bed-wise, there’s a double that springs out of the seating area at the rear, another bed behind the cabin and room for a small one above the cab.

Buy this behemoth
Have we sold it to you? Well, actually we’re not trying overly hard because truth be told we’ll be sad to see it go. We’ve established that it’s rare, but of the handful that were made, we suspect only a fraction have survived and in any case, few can be in anywhere as good condition as this gem. We reckon it would have cost the best part of £40,000 to buy new in 1989/90 – but we only want a fraction of this. In fact, as little as £25,000 might be enough to secure it. The VW Heritage stickers on the side can be removed easily, but we reckon they look great anyway and add to its provenance. Tischers don’t come up for sale that frequently, and ones this good, well, virtually never – so if you’re interested you’ll need to move fast. Contact [email protected] in the first instance for more information: You won’t regret it.

Ian

The opinions expressed here are the personal opinions of the author and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of VW Heritage.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

All I could think of was... 'WOW... how do you get to the engine?'

Shocked

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

msinabottle wrote:
All I could think of was... 'WOW... how do you get to the engine?'

Shocked

Best!

I don't see anything that shows an opening on the floor in the last picture, where is the diner table. But also I don't see any walls under both left and right rear seats. Maybe the opening on the floor is bigger and you cannot see any seems on the floor from that angle. Or maybe the walls under the seats are recessed?

The Karmann Gispy has removable walls under the rear side seats so you can have access to the engine compartment. A pain yes...

EDIT: Oh! There is a seem, but its goes from left to right, in the middle. Looks like a piano hinge...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

I'm not sure I've ever seen a professionally extended wheelbase T3 like that before. I'd be curious to see how they reinforced the frame rails to accommodate that extension
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

"Power is courtesy of trusty 1.6 (JX) turbodiesel. It’s no firecracker, ..."
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

Karl Mullendore's nice 1992 VW LT 31 Karmann Distance Wide.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

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VW HERITAGE LHD TYPE 25 TISCHER FOR SALE. £25,000

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me more about the differences between the Cheetah/Gipsy and the LT series? I’m assuming the LT is also known as the “Distance Wide” and that’s just because it’s wider? From the link one of the other posters provided (https://www.karmann-coachbuilts.com/differences/dimensions.htm), it’s obvious that the LT is longer, wider and heavier. It appears that the number designation after “LT” corresponds to max gross weight capability. What does the model “L” and “H” mean? One has more amenities than the other, like the Gipsy has more amenities than the Cheetah?

Btw, if one is in the market for one of these, how and what sources does one scour the internet for them? TIA!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

The lt is just a different platform entirely different engines etc. still rear motored and got the look though, they’re sweet.

Busman could look for you in Europe that’s definitely what I’d do if shopping.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

LT's are front-engined with rear drive. Look under that big doghouse between the front seats.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:27 am    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

Ride-Fly wrote:
Can anyone tell me more about the differences between the Cheetah/Gipsy and the LT series? I’m assuming the LT is also known as the “Distance Wide” and that’s just because it’s wider? From the link one of the other posters provided (https://www.karmann-coachbuilts.com/differences/dimensions.htm), it’s obvious that the LT is longer, wider and heavier. It appears that the number designation after “LT” corresponds to max gross weight capability. What does the model “L” and “H” mean? One has more amenities than the other, like the Gipsy has more amenities than the Cheetah?

Btw, if one is in the market for one of these, how and what sources does one scour the internet for them? TIA!


There is realy no amenities level on the LT, From start of The Karmann LT Production in 1978 you had the LT M. From 1983 you had the LT H (Hinten-rear) and LT L (Links-Left) acordint to where the sofa was. in about 1990 the LT changed name to Distance wide and for the 2 last years Distance wide Gold. There is no Amenitie Level, but there was some options like Isri front seats With armrests, Motocycle or bike rack on the standard pull-out rear bumper. The Karmann LT's are 10cm wider than the T3 Karmanns.
My -87 Karmann LT L has the mighty 75hp NA Diesel engine and is dead slow, slower than a Vanagon Westfalia 1,6 NA Diesel. It is also quite noisy.

Best Place for more info is the UK forum: http://karmann-coachbuilts.proboards.com/

Best place to search for a Karmann is Mobile.de https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/search.html?cat...sfmr=false
I wouldn't be afraid of buying from a dealer i Germany, then go to Europe and take it on vacation and then ship it to the USA.
Sorry for the short answer but i have to og out and try to get the wiring harnes out of the -94 Audi A6 that is donating its 2,5 TDI 116hp engine to go into my LT.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies @mikemtbike, @campism, & @Buss Marius. I found some info on the LT on Wikipedia and VW Heritage site https://www.vwheritage.com/blog/2016/03/29/volkswagen-lt-buying-guide/

I’ve seen a handful of the LT campers on mobile.de. I guess I’m not as excited for one of these as much as a T3 Gipsy or Cheetah. I did find one T3 Gipsy that seemed sweet- was on the Mobile.de site for a couple of weeks, when I decided to contact the seller. Never got a response back, as it seems to have sold right about the time I contacted the seller. It was only €8750!! I should’ve jumped on it, but I had just learned about these rigs and was still researching what I wanted in my home-away-from-home.

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westyventures wrote:
I have tons of photos of Gipsy/Cheetah models, if you'd like to have them. One of the biggest problems with all of the coachbuilts is rot - all have wood frames and all leak eventually when exposed to heavy rains. This applies to all of them, including the larger LT-based models. Mine had a lot of rot (the new owner discovered more than I had expected) and required many hours to rebuild. These wood-frame campers are also not so great for off-road travel because they may literally fall apart on rough roads. I've thought of building something similar to what Bernd has done, but have come to my senses and will build a larger camper on a more robust 4wd platform. The T3 has serious limits and to increase these limits decreases the reliability.


You know, as much as I want one of these Gipsies, I had to re-read through this thread more closely to realize, I’d be spending a fortune on one of these (if I were lucky to find one in the first place). I live in rainy Portland!!! I’m crying! If I found one without rot, it would be rotted in no time.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

Look at the T4 Gipsy or Cheetah - fiberglass covered so less chance of rot. There are some good deals on mobile.de for 1991-1994 models which are easily imported.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Coachbuilt campers on Vanagon platform (Karmann Gipsy et al) Reply with quote

Well it seems like Finnish coachbuild matkaaja is quite a oddity outside of Finland so here is few pics of my 2.1 wbx '88. We did 3500km (2200mile) roadtrip last summer (Finland-Germany-Holland-Sweden) without bigger problems.

And I had a small plan that we might go to northern Norway in few months to test the cold weather camping cababilities.

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