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!nxs
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 Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:05 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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nice bus 
can you tell me for what this hole is?
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campingbox 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| I believe that hole is to allow access to the draglink zirk fitting. |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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From the "Owner's Manuals" that can be accessed thru the "Technical" button above on right:
1959 model (Aug58) type 2 copy.
Pages 66 and 67 show #11 as the forward drag link grease point.
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BarryL
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| campingbox wrote: |
| BarryL wrote: |
| campingbox wrote: |
| There was two flat backed fulcrum plates and two straight back ones - |
Could you please point out the difference? |
If you were to flip those over and run a ground flat lengthwise along the back you would notice some are flat end to end and others have a slight curve end to end. It's kind of like a cam follower, they look flat but stick two together face to face and you'll quickly notice they are not. |
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They changed the fulcrum plates IIRC soon after or before they went to the tunnel case trans.
If some one mis matches FPs on the same axle shaft it makes a horrible noise when you turn corners and chews up the plates. This happens tout suite and so is strictly verboten.
Czech the corners of the fulcrum plates in the picture. |
Flat back is later? |
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EverettB
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Clara
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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Flat back is later? |
flat is early |
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campingbox
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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Does anyone have the hardware to hold the bowden tube bracket they can spare?
They are two bolts and measure 8mm X 80mm (length does not include the head).
They need to have 14mm heads on them.
They are slightly longer than all the other splitcase hardware. I think this is the only place you'll find this bolt on the bus, so if you have a splitcase tranny laying around you are not too proud of and can snake a couple bolts off it let me know.
Happy to buy or trade for them. |
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hazetguy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| campingbox wrote: |
Does anyone have the hardware to hold the bowden tube bracket they can spare?
They are two bolts and measure 8mm X 80mm (length does not include the head).
They need to have 14mm heads on them.
They are slightly longer than all the other splitcase hardware. I think this is the only place you'll find this bolt on the bus, so if you have a splitcase tranny laying around you are not too proud of and can snake a couple bolts off it let me know.
Happy to buy or trade for them. |
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Lind
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| campingbox wrote: |
Does anyone have the hardware to hold the bowden tube bracket they can spare?
They are two bolts and measure 8mm X 80mm (length does not include the head).
They need to have 14mm heads on them.
They are slightly longer than all the other splitcase hardware. I think this is the only place you'll find this bolt on the bus, so if you have a splitcase tranny laying around you are not too proud of and can snake a couple bolts off it let me know.
Happy to buy or trade for them. |
I pulled a couple off for you, but it looks like Jon already PM'd you. If you still need some, let me know.
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campingbox
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| Damn, you guys are on it! Thank you so much Lind, Jon says he's got it handled. |
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zuggbug
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| campingbox wrote: |
| Damn, you guys are on it! Thank you so much Lind, Jon says he's got it handled. |
It's good to know the right people. I love this Vw community
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campingbox
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| zuggbug wrote: |
| campingbox wrote: |
| Damn, you guys are on it! Thank you so much Lind, Jon says he's got it handled. |
It's good to know the right people. I love this Vw community |
And we love you Paul!
Not much to report, few boxes of parts showed up.
Box from Stacey:
I had the NOS 2nd gear already, so the 3rd & 4th gear sets from Stacey compliment this nicely. I think Stacey has more of these parts if anyone else is in need.
Box from WW with NOS reverse gear:
Box from Evan with a 288B
His is the one on the left. It's missing the little C piece. The one I had previously is on the right, has the C, but is missing the indicator bracket. The box is roached too. Between the two of these it makes up a pretty nice set. |
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campingbox
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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I think I have a handle on the 3305 double row pinion bearing - thanks to EverettB of thesamba fame & Jarrod from Victoria of the tripleJ fame.
I'd also like to find a NOS German 6304N bearing.
It has a 20mm ID, a 52mm OD, and is 15mm wide
It has a circlip on the outside diameter.
I could also consider a 6304 - without the circlip, and I could cut it in. I think it needs to be open ball - metal cage. It looks like these were used on some '70'ies era Audis.
I searched through google & eBay and was able to find a NOS 6304N that was made in Argentina, anyone have an old stock one laying around that was made in Germany? |
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j.pickens
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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I haven't been checking out these forums for awhile. But getting my bus ready for the 2400 mile round trip to Bullibrigade has me back in the VW bus mode.
Anyhoo, Holy Crap!! Campingbox's curtain fabric is AMAZEBALLS!!!
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campingbox
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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Thanks John!
I spent some more time on the splitcase project over the past few days.
Checking the NOS mainshaft for run out
I assembled the pinion shaft with as many NOS German parts as I could find. This included ring & pinion, rear pinion bearing, 1st/reverse slider, 2nd gear clutch gear, 2nd gear syncro, 2nd gear, 2nd/3rd brass bushing, 3rd gear syncrho, 3rd gear, 3rd/4th gear clutch gear, 3rd/4th slider, 4th gear syncro, 4th gear, and the double row pinion bearing.
The book calls to stack the assembled splined pieces and then adjust the shims so they end even with the ends of the splines, +/- .002". I didn't have any extra shims so I flat filed the front of the 2nd gear clutch gear until it was even.
With the pinion shaft assembled I checked the end play of the gears.
They were all right at the bottom edge of the tolerance - .004"
With that done I measured the pinion depth. I ended up removing a .3mm shim.
Then I coated the teeth with contact pattern grease and installed the differential and bolted it together.
I probably had this transmission bolted together and taken apart 20-30 times refining the bearing preload and the pinion depth and the backlash.
Anyway, here is what the final contact pattern looked like.
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BarryL
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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Intriguing. How do you check run out without the pilot bearing?
Nice pattern. Is the grease with the more forward mark the decelerate side? |
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campingbox
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| BarryL wrote: |
| Intriguing. How do you check run out without the pilot bearing? |
The mainshaft bearings are in place. That is where the input shaft seal goes. It doesn't support anything.
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| Nice pattern. Is the grease with the more forward mark the decelerate side? |
I forget. I would have to look at it again and watch things move. That's the first time I've ever set up a new R&P. I'm sure someone who does this every day can answer that question better. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| campingbox wrote: |
| BarryL wrote: |
| Intriguing. How do you check run out without the pilot bearing? |
The mainshaft bearings are in place. That is where the input shaft seal goes. It doesn't support anything.
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| Nice pattern. Is the grease with the more forward mark the decelerate side? |
I forget. I would have to look at it again and watch things move. That's the first time I've ever set up a new R&P. I'm sure someone who does this every day can answer that question better. |
Never done that work, I though I was being ballsy pulling the center section out of my 356 and taking it in to be inspected. Impressive work Greg.
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BarryL
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| campingbox wrote: |
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| Intriguing. How do you check run out without the pilot bearing? |
The mainshaft bearings are in place. That is where the input shaft seal goes. It doesn't support anything. |
I hear ya but I meant the flywheel pilot bearing. I thought that part of the mainshaft unscrewed with the sliding sleeve and was separate and dangly. |
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campingbox
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Yellow & Tan '56 Subhatch Westy - 20-147419 |
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| BarryL wrote: |
| campingbox wrote: |
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| Intriguing. How do you check run out without the pilot bearing? |
The mainshaft bearings are in place. That is where the input shaft seal goes. It doesn't support anything. |
I hear ya but I meant the flywheel pilot bearing. I thought that part of the mainshaft unscrewed with the sliding sleeve and was separate and dangly. |
That wobbly thing with the little screw and sleeve started with the tunnel type transmissions. Maybe to reduce noise? Those are a lot easier and faster to take apart and rebuild.
The splitcase transmissions are one solid shaft end to end:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1708104.jpg
If first gear or second gear gets chewed up (they almost always are) you have to replace that whole piece to fix it. |
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