Manual/ Auto starter

[ricaroo]

I think I read somewhere on the forum that you Can replace a manual transmission starter with an automatic Transmission starter so you don't need to deal with the bushing, is that accurate?

1971 Standard Beetle Manual Transmission (1600dp)

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Rick

[Tim Donahoe]

Yes, you can. The auto-stick starter is actually a little more powerful. Fit well, but they are a tad heavier.

I put one in my 1974 Super Beetle a couple years ago. It was a Bosch remanufactured from Napa Auto Parts. It cost about fifty more dollars than a manual starter, but since I didn't have to fool with the bushing, I as okay with that.

Tim
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[johnnyniceguy]

Does the self supporting starter (SR17) have a specific Solenoid?

[Glenn]

SR15 is for "manual"
SR17 is for autostick

Yes, you can use the SR17 on a 4 speed. And Yes, they do have more torque which is good for high horse power engines.
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[johnnyniceguy]

Glen, Is the solenoid different on the 17?

[Glenn]

Looks to be the same, but i'm not 100% sure.
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[johnnyniceguy]

I see one listed specifically for automatic in the classifieds. Thats why I asked.
Going to track down part number. Thanks for the replies.

[glutamodo]

NO, the solenoid is NOT the same between the two. And Autostick solenoids have a higher failure rate than the ones on normal starters.
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[johnnyniceguy]

Any chance of a part#

[glutamodo]

As per the 1971 Bosch Catalog I have in front of me:

0331302032 for Automatic (short number 31 062 as per a different book)
0331302011 for Standard. (short number 31 073 in that same book)

I've ran Autostick starters on my Baja Bug for decades and back when I drove it a lot I had a couple of those solenoids fail on me. I also saw a handful of them fail when I worked at the VW parts/service shop. Eventually I found one that seems to want to keep working for me. However it was a South Africa part under 0331302097:

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[Cusser]

I simply replaced my starter bushing last year when I had my engine out. The rebuilt-by-Bosch starter I'd installed a few decades before came with a new bushing, and I kept it all those years.

I figured at 260K it was time for a new bushing there. New v. old.

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[johnnyniceguy]

Thank you Glutamodo and friends. It amazes me the resources this site's members have at their finger tips. This is my first SR17 in 50 years. Never would have guessed the solenoid was different. Hope many others learn from this post.

[johnnyniceguy]

Hello again! I purchased a rebuilt self supported starter with out solenoid.
Found a NOS Solenoid to fit. Now, I think the bolts/screws I have in stock to mount solenoid to starter are too short. Are the bolts for a solenoid for a starter for an Automatic longer?? Anyone have a Part# ? Bosch starter and solenoid.

[Glenn]

I never bought a starter without one already installed.
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[johnnyniceguy]

Stumbled on a good deal. Rebuilt starter on shelf. Solenoid had been robbed. Found NOS solenoid. Didn't even think about the bolts. Found both in the Samba classifieds. Learned that solenoid is specific to auto starter. Kind of makes sense the bolts would be different in length.

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[bluebus86]

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[airschooled]

Small hardware stores like ACE are franchised, and whoever manages the hardware section writes the hardware order. So if he or she is a muscle car dude, expect to have little metric selection. If he or she's a VW enthusiast, expect to see a large metric selection. (See: TrueValue in Portland!)

I'm not sure how the big box stores manage their hardware orders, but sometimes they have exactly what we need and sometimes they don't.

Aren't the three solenoid bolts counter-sunk? Last set I removed was Torx head too, though the head isn't important unless you're on Pebble Beach.

Robbie
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