Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Installing window rail at bottom of glass
Forum Index -> Beetle - Late Model/Super - 1968-up Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Ron G
Samba Member


Joined: September 05, 2013
Posts: 228
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Ron G is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

How the heck do these go on, man I have done everything I can think of now.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
vwoldbug
Samba Member


Joined: January 28, 2009
Posts: 1214
Location: Ohio
vwoldbug is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

Try windex on the rubber then put the glass upside down on wood . Push it on a little bit . If that works you can use a rubber mallet . Are those new parts . I did see one person not use the rubber . He used windshield urethane and that seemed to work good .
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
Ron G
Samba Member


Joined: September 05, 2013
Posts: 228
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Ron G is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

I am game to try anything right now, just getting it open up enough to get around the glass in the rubber is a challenge by his self. Everything is new. Thanks for the post I’ll let you know
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
busman78
Samba Member


Joined: August 17, 2004
Posts: 4524
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
busman78 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

A little Super Lube will do the trick, harmless on rubber, block with wood tap with rubber mallet carefully.

edit - You can also use Dielectric grease
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
VW_Jimbo Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: May 22, 2016
Posts: 9966
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
VW_Jimbo is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

The window has to be super clean in that area, use a fresh razor blade and rubbing alcohol to get it super clean. The trick is rubbing alcohol, but you have to be quick. Get everything marked, place the rubber in the carrier with some of the side hanging out, maybe 1/2 inch, with 1/2 inch inside the carrier. Set the carrier onto the window and line it up. Give it a small tap to hold it in place. Then flip it 180 degrees and pour some rubbing alcohol over both sides completely drenching the area. Push down hard or flip over and hit with a dead blow hammer. If it catches half way through, repeat. The rubbing alcohol will make the rubber super slick and then will evaporate completely, leaving the exposed rubber grabbing the glass.

And just for the record, Incase you were inclined to use a sealant or any other products. Glass is unique in composition because it is not a solid. Lots of science there. Nothing sticks to it. Most products will simple never lay out, they will only bead up. However since glass is melted sand, a sand type material will stick, not adhere to it. That product is 100% clear silicon. That will stick to the glass and hold for years.
_________________
Jimbo

There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!

TDCTDI wrote:
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look.


67rustavenger wrote:
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
busman78
Samba Member


Joined: August 17, 2004
Posts: 4524
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
busman78 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

Not sure what you mean by sealant, silicone grease, not sealant. Plus you do not put it on the glass -

Window - rubber - silicone grease - metal channel

The rubber will fold over on the glass so just coat the opposite side with grease, thin coat, or lube up the channel then as the channel is installed it folds the rubber over onto the glass. For me putting the rubber in the metal channel then trying to insert the glass just wads up the rubber.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
VW_Jimbo Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: May 22, 2016
Posts: 9966
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
VW_Jimbo is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

busman78 wrote:
Not sure what you mean by sealant, silicone grease, not sealant. Plus you do not put it on the glass -

Window - rubber - silicone grease - metal channel

The rubber will fold over on the glass so just coat the opposite side with grease, thin coat, or lube up the channel then as the channel is installed it folds the rubber over onto the glass. For me putting the rubber in the metal channel then trying to insert the glass just wads up the rubber.


I mean silicon sealant. Like the tubes one would purchase to adhere glass into pvc channels or glass into shower door frames or glass into cabinet doors. Home depot sells it in tubes that can be inserted into a chaulking gun.

Silicon grease would work, but never sets. If I am not mistaken, it stay pliable. Silicon sealant will become rubberized and sticks to just about everything. Plus with the silicon sealant, while it is still kicking off, it will lubricate the rubber and channel, so everything can be assembled easily. Then it cures and holds everything in place for a very long time.
_________________
Jimbo

There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!

TDCTDI wrote:
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look.


67rustavenger wrote:
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
busman78
Samba Member


Joined: August 17, 2004
Posts: 4524
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
busman78 is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

True the grease never sets, never had one not stay together where sealant would be required. When I say a thin film think of it as if you used a spray can of silicone lube, I use to, spray gets every where so a little grease goes a long ways. Yes the sealant would work, so would dish soap, KY Jelly, bees wax, bear grease, okay maybe not that one you door would smell a little wild.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
VW_Jimbo Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: May 22, 2016
Posts: 9966
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
VW_Jimbo is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

busman78 wrote:
True the grease never sets, never had one not stay together where sealant would be required. When I say a thin film think of it as if you used a spray can of silicone lube, I use to, spray gets every where so a little grease goes a long ways. Yes the sealant would work, so would dish soap, KY Jelly, bees wax, bear grease, okay maybe not that one you door would smell a little wild.


I agree with those only for installing IF you do not have silicon. The silicon works as a lubricant immediately, then it “sets” and insured the track stays in place.

I have seen many track that have slide forwards over my years. The silicon is like insurance against that and also helps by lubricating the channel install.
_________________
Jimbo

There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!

TDCTDI wrote:
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look.


67rustavenger wrote:
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
SBD
Samba Member


Joined: October 24, 2012
Posts: 3269
Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
SBD is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

Silicone, NOT silicon. BIG difference. Very Happy
_________________
"Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"


mark tucker wrote:
I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
VW_Jimbo Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: May 22, 2016
Posts: 9966
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
VW_Jimbo is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

SBD wrote:
Silicone, NOT silicon. BIG difference. Very Happy


Thank you! Made me pause and research the two. I always thought that there were two separate ways to spell that substance. Never thought about looking it up. Thanks for the education. I am now smarter than I had been. Now, hopefully I will remember to spell it correctly!!! That’s the final!!!
_________________
Jimbo

There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!

TDCTDI wrote:
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look.


67rustavenger wrote:
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
baldessariclan
Samba Member


Joined: October 14, 2016
Posts: 1382
Location: Wichita, KS
baldessariclan is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

SBD wrote:
Silicone, NOT silicon. BIG difference. Very Happy


Ha! Yeah -- well true, there IS elemental silicon present in both the glass and the sealant. But the other included elements and chemical structure in each respective compound makes for a lot different end / working "material". The devil's always in the details, no? Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
VW_Jimbo Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: May 22, 2016
Posts: 9966
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
VW_Jimbo is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

baldessariclan wrote:
SBD wrote:
Silicone, NOT silicon. BIG difference. Very Happy


Ha! Yeah -- well true, there IS elemental silicon present in both the glass and the sealant. But the other included elements and chemical structure in each respective compound makes for a lot different end / working "material". The devil's always in the details, no? Smile


Always. That's why there are specialists!
_________________
Jimbo

There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!

TDCTDI wrote:
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look.


67rustavenger wrote:
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
SBD
Samba Member


Joined: October 24, 2012
Posts: 3269
Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
SBD is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass Reply with quote

As long as the guy you're talkin' to knows what you mean it's all good. Problem with the internet is that you never know who you're talkin' to. Very Happy
_________________
"Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"


mark tucker wrote:
I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Beetle - Late Model/Super - 1968-up All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2023, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB
Links to eBay or other vendor sites may be affiliate links where the site receives compensation.