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Ron G Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2013 Posts: 228 Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:07 pm Post subject: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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How the heck do these go on, man I have done everything I can think of now.
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vwoldbug Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2009 Posts: 1214 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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Try windex on the rubber then put the glass upside down on wood . Push it on a little bit . If that works you can use a rubber mallet . Are those new parts . I did see one person not use the rubber . He used windshield urethane and that seemed to work good . |
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Ron G Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2013 Posts: 228 Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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I am game to try anything right now, just getting it open up enough to get around the glass in the rubber is a challenge by his self. Everything is new. Thanks for the post I’ll let you know |
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4524 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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A little Super Lube will do the trick, harmless on rubber, block with wood tap with rubber mallet carefully.
edit - You can also use Dielectric grease |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9966 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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The window has to be super clean in that area, use a fresh razor blade and rubbing alcohol to get it super clean. The trick is rubbing alcohol, but you have to be quick. Get everything marked, place the rubber in the carrier with some of the side hanging out, maybe 1/2 inch, with 1/2 inch inside the carrier. Set the carrier onto the window and line it up. Give it a small tap to hold it in place. Then flip it 180 degrees and pour some rubbing alcohol over both sides completely drenching the area. Push down hard or flip over and hit with a dead blow hammer. If it catches half way through, repeat. The rubbing alcohol will make the rubber super slick and then will evaporate completely, leaving the exposed rubber grabbing the glass.
And just for the record, Incase you were inclined to use a sealant or any other products. Glass is unique in composition because it is not a solid. Lots of science there. Nothing sticks to it. Most products will simple never lay out, they will only bead up. However since glass is melted sand, a sand type material will stick, not adhere to it. That product is 100% clear silicon. That will stick to the glass and hold for years. _________________ Jimbo
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4524 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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Not sure what you mean by sealant, silicone grease, not sealant. Plus you do not put it on the glass -
Window - rubber - silicone grease - metal channel
The rubber will fold over on the glass so just coat the opposite side with grease, thin coat, or lube up the channel then as the channel is installed it folds the rubber over onto the glass. For me putting the rubber in the metal channel then trying to insert the glass just wads up the rubber. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9966 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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busman78 wrote: |
Not sure what you mean by sealant, silicone grease, not sealant. Plus you do not put it on the glass -
Window - rubber - silicone grease - metal channel
The rubber will fold over on the glass so just coat the opposite side with grease, thin coat, or lube up the channel then as the channel is installed it folds the rubber over onto the glass. For me putting the rubber in the metal channel then trying to insert the glass just wads up the rubber. |
I mean silicon sealant. Like the tubes one would purchase to adhere glass into pvc channels or glass into shower door frames or glass into cabinet doors. Home depot sells it in tubes that can be inserted into a chaulking gun.
Silicon grease would work, but never sets. If I am not mistaken, it stay pliable. Silicon sealant will become rubberized and sticks to just about everything. Plus with the silicon sealant, while it is still kicking off, it will lubricate the rubber and channel, so everything can be assembled easily. Then it cures and holds everything in place for a very long time. _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4524 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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True the grease never sets, never had one not stay together where sealant would be required. When I say a thin film think of it as if you used a spray can of silicone lube, I use to, spray gets every where so a little grease goes a long ways. Yes the sealant would work, so would dish soap, KY Jelly, bees wax, bear grease, okay maybe not that one you door would smell a little wild. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9966 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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busman78 wrote: |
True the grease never sets, never had one not stay together where sealant would be required. When I say a thin film think of it as if you used a spray can of silicone lube, I use to, spray gets every where so a little grease goes a long ways. Yes the sealant would work, so would dish soap, KY Jelly, bees wax, bear grease, okay maybe not that one you door would smell a little wild. |
I agree with those only for installing IF you do not have silicon. The silicon works as a lubricant immediately, then it “sets” and insured the track stays in place.
I have seen many track that have slide forwards over my years. The silicon is like insurance against that and also helps by lubricating the channel install. _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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SBD Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3269 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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Silicone, NOT silicon. BIG difference. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9966 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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SBD wrote: |
Silicone, NOT silicon. BIG difference. |
Thank you! Made me pause and research the two. I always thought that there were two separate ways to spell that substance. Never thought about looking it up. Thanks for the education. I am now smarter than I had been. Now, hopefully I will remember to spell it correctly!!! That’s the final!!! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
TDCTDI wrote: |
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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baldessariclan Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2016 Posts: 1382 Location: Wichita, KS
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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SBD wrote: |
Silicone, NOT silicon. BIG difference. |
Ha! Yeah -- well true, there IS elemental silicon present in both the glass and the sealant. But the other included elements and chemical structure in each respective compound makes for a lot different end / working "material". The devil's always in the details, no? |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9966 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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baldessariclan wrote: |
SBD wrote: |
Silicone, NOT silicon. BIG difference. |
Ha! Yeah -- well true, there IS elemental silicon present in both the glass and the sealant. But the other included elements and chemical structure in each respective compound makes for a lot different end / working "material". The devil's always in the details, no? |
Always. That's why there are specialists! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
TDCTDI wrote: |
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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SBD Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3269 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Installing window rail at bottom of glass |
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As long as the guy you're talkin' to knows what you mean it's all good. Problem with the internet is that you never know who you're talkin' to. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it. |
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